The v5 writers agree which is why the elders basically packed their bags and moved east.
Even though Gehenna was retconned there's still plenty of other source material to pull from.
Will he open his eyes, though?
They are cackling villains, but their mindless killing and shit isn't necessarily that uninteresting, it's just that from the outside looking in, they kinda have to be portrayed as the murderhobo retards that they actually are, whereas from the inside it's more interesting but also absolutely horrifying. It becomes a bit of an issue, because if you would have a game that properly portrayed the pre-V5 Sabbat from the inside, it would get an AO-rating, no doubt.
That is pretty much standard in any setting when dumbfuck authors try to be post-modernist twats and submitted to the millenial need to be Evulul shits and fleshed out bad guys that should never be fleshed out in the first place. They introduce all sorts of inconsistencies and general dumb shit, and then try to retcon it, and create an even bigger mess. Just take a look at Dragon Age 2 and beyond, and let's not even go into the interstellar Singularity of Stupidity(tm) that is Mechwarrior: Dark Age.
because the sabbat are being controlled by a secret group of vampires who themselves are being controlled by a true secret group of vampires who fight interdimensional aliens
too late, secret sect of secret sect of vampires fighting cthulu is fair game for vtmb2
Half the shit in PP games that was added later is a fucking mistake. PP lore is added by a bunch of different people with different ideas,it always end up as mishmash of retarded diarrhea and some genuinely interesting things.
Heh. The whole idea of the Technocracy is to prevent that kind of shit. "We will school the masses in SCIENCE so that they won't accidentally dream up Cthulu space aliens and destroy us all!" Of course, they fuck up the whole magic thing along the way by making the world so rigid that any little thing out of place can result in a paradox backlash, but as one of their main spheres is stasis, I suppose it does make sense...
every rules system has at least one Complete Book of Elves, but White Wolf published several
A ray of hope that ends up as a life shattering disappointment?
Your ancestors thought the same.
Because people both in the Camarilla and the Sabbat both have it as their sole job description to cover up Sabbat masquerade breaches. Even their mayhem tend to get pinned on terrorists and shit, and this was before everyone had a camera phone.
