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[Poll] Troika

Which was the least flawed Troika rpg?


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Falksi

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Bloodlines for me. I played both for the first time 2017, and Arcanum's just got too many old-school obstacles for me to get into, whereas Bloodlines was absolutely fine.
 

Abu Antar

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I love all three, but I think that ToEE is the least flawed game.
 

Chippy

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Was gonna say TOEE, but remember the bugs. Arcanum was flawed (you had to MCA not to succeed in melee) but it was the most complete game. Early build of Vampire had that game breaking bug at the docks late game which they almost didn't patch in.
 

Jason Liang

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Was gonna say TOEE, but remember the bugs. Arcanum was flawed (you had to MCA not to succeed in melee) but it was the most complete game. Early build of Vampire had that game breaking bug at the docks late game which they almost didn't patch in.
I don't mean bugs. All three had serious bugs on release.
 

Chippy

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Vampire was more flawed than Arcanum because you could just shoot everything. Even with a poor skill in guns, I just wiped out the end boss with a handgun. TOEE was more flawed because it felt less complete than Arcanum - where the lore and writing made up for the unbalanced combat in my opinion.
 

HarveyBirdman

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TOEE is the worst, but it's also the least flawed. It's nothing but a combat system, so there was less shit to screw up.
 

Fenris 2.0

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Ă–hm... KingComrade ?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Troika Fan-Boy Greis Old Man; while all this Games are a Work of Art, they were all practically unplayable at Release. You didn't notice it for quite a long time with Arcanum, and the german Versions of TOEE and Bloodlines introduced even more Bugs... but thanks to Wesp Bloodlines works pretty well now, while Arcanum and ToEE still have issues even with mods when I played them last time. Can't vote this time.
 

Tigranes

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What a stupid question. Flaws on greatness are mere flaws; flawlessness without greatness might as well not exist.

Hence I voted the game with most greatness, then clicked on page 1, and lo, I saw it was Jason Liang.
 

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Arcanum > combat isn't very good
Bloodlines > combat sucks

So, there's that.
I think you're being too kind with Arcanum. The combat is terrible, turn-based or not.

All of Troika's games are flawed gems but gems nonetheless. Arcanum is the most flawed one of them, yet I still consider it their magnum opus.
 

Jason Liang

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I estimate that the 59 people who haved voted for Arcanum thus far represent 20% of the 100 people that have actually played the game to finish.
 

gunman

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Arcanum is an involuntary masterpiece. So unpolished yet so enjoyable in every unbalanced combination of character attributes, combined with isometric perfection, is a dream game.

ToEE is what Baldur's Gate should have been, but the corseting of D&D rules shows its ugly face, like paladins falling just by talking to bad guys, or being unable to steal a thing because the game rules prevent this.
 

Beastro

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Bloodlines for me. I played both for the first time 2017 and, I'm sorry I really tried, but Arcanum's just got too many old-school obstacles for me to get into, whereas Bloodlines was absolutely fine.

Now it's a proper Falksi post~
 
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TOEE is the worst, but it's also the least flawed. It's nothing but a combat system, so there was less shit to screw up.
ToEE without the co8 patches(and now Temple+) is extremely unfinished. It might be the most unfinished out of any of the three.
IIRC, the level with Zuggtmoy wasn't even completed.
 

JarlFrank

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
Arcanum > combat isn't very good
Bloodlines > combat sucks

So, there's that.
I think you're being too kind with Arcanum. The combat is terrible, turn-based or not.

People severely overstate the shittiness of Arcanum's combat. It isn't great, but it's inoffensive. In real time, it's over very quickly and wastes none of your time. Even in turn based it's pretty quick because most enemies aren't bloated, except for those fucking stone and magma golems. And even those are quicker to take down than many enemies in other RPGs with bad combat.
 

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