By the by, edgeface, I wanted to tell you what a complete dumbfuck you were just now, and I wanted to display that all across your profile, but - to my amazement - you seem to be following the Lilura School of Edgeness, and you don't seem to have a public profile.
Thank god any decent persons here make up their own minds by playing the game, because if were all to follow you we'd all be playing the same 3 games over and over.
Eh, it's not that bad. I've only ever played Arcanum in real time.
because i want to play a king tbh
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I agree. For me the main culprit was the amount of magical items you get. Insane stuff. At about mid-game I felt like every barrel had a +2 weapon.
Except for the items you actually need.
For me it doesItemization doesn't have anything to do with game feel
To all that I can add that there is room for improvement in this style of "micro-intensive RtwP", and the good examples to look to are in a game called Company of Heroes 2 - a game where pausing doesn't even exist outside of single player, which nobody plays. Stuff like bonuses for having party members standing in a certain relation to each other has lots of potential. This is something PKM does too with the teamwork feats.
Itemization doesn't have anything to do with game feel
The point Nihilste raises is about how the game handles in your hands, and his point is that PoE didn't capture that RTS-like feeling of fast management and "micro" in the traditional Starcraft-sense of the word, which I agree with. I just don't agree that Kingmaker captures it either. I like both games (though Kingmaker got old faster and I don't think I'll replay it as much), but both have systems that punish movement severely and deliberately make movement sluggish to avoid the insane kiting shennanigans etc. of the IE-games. The price they pay for this expansion of tactical depth is the IE-game's focus on constant movement and kiting-micro. But chiefly, what people mean but can't explain when they say PoE or Kingmaker don't feel like Baldur's Gate is the fact that movement is deliberately sluggish, penalized and as a result combat feels more unwieldly, though you do obviously also gain some benefits i.e. you have to think about how and when to move.
I think I've come to agree with Sensuki on some of these points over time. That is, the primary benefit of real time is the focus on movement and micro, simultaneously avoiding threats while keeping your guys grouped up enough for buff, cleansing, healing or whatever if necessary. If you're gonna make it about having trade-offs to movement, turn-based simply seems like the obvious choice, and I'm fairly certain PoE would have been much better as a turn-based game. Same goes for Kingmaker.
A lot of people in here claim that the game is much better with the TB mod. Plus the new game from the devs will have a TB mode option btw
Itemization doesn't have anything to do with game feel
The point Nihilste raises is about how the game handles in your hands, and his point is that PoE didn't capture that RTS-like feeling of fast management and "micro" in the traditional Starcraft-sense of the word, which I agree with. I just don't agree that Kingmaker captures it either. I like both games (though Kingmaker got old faster and I don't think I'll replay it as much), but both have systems that punish movement severely and deliberately make movement sluggish to avoid the insane kiting shennanigans etc. of the IE-games. The price they pay for this expansion of tactical depth is the IE-game's focus on constant movement and kiting-micro. But chiefly, what people mean but can't explain when they say PoE or Kingmaker don't feel like Baldur's Gate is the fact that movement is deliberately sluggish, penalized and as a result combat feels more unwieldly, though you do obviously also gain some benefits i.e. you have to think about how and when to move.
I think I've come to agree with Sensuki on some of these points over time. That is, the primary benefit of real time is the focus on movement and micro, simultaneously avoiding threats while keeping your guys grouped up enough for buff, cleansing, healing or whatever if necessary. If you're gonna make it about having trade-offs to movement, turn-based simply seems like the obvious choice, and I'm fairly certain PoE would have been much better as a turn-based game. Same goes for Kingmaker.
Is pathfinder better suited for TB than RtwP? Of course!
Would kingmaker be better as TB? Hell no! It would have been fucking unbearable the way it's currently designed.
