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[Drakron]

I still have no idea what happened, beyond the retarded coincidence of the amnesia club getting back together

Its not a coincidence since the ending makes clear it was predestination loop.

I've no idea why any of the three witches have their powers or who they are related to

There is really only one sorceress ... until Ultramercia after being defeated ends up in the past giving Edea her powers because thats how there was only one sorceress since before they died they pass on their power, this creates a paradox of sorts as Edea and Adel are both Sorceress despite there should only been one, then Riona becomes a sorceress after Edea/Ultramercia is defeated as she passes her powers to Riona so she can release Adel so she can possess Adel.

who the fuck laguna is,

His importance is who he is connected to, that being Ellone that kinda uses him and his team as a example of how she can transfer the conscience of people to others into the past, he kinda is important but on the other hand not really as he doesnt really takes any larger role outside having set in motion certain events in the past (like managing to imprison Adel).

why Seifer or his buddies were retarded turncoats that tried to murder their classmates for no reason,

Seifer kinda losses it after Ultramercia manages to convince him to follow her, Fujin and Raijin simply follow him but when Seifer goes into the deep end even they will not fight you.

or what literally anyone's motivations for doing anything are in the entire story.

Its not that "hard", Ultramercia doesnt want to die so she comes up with the idea if she compresses time then there is no past/future and she will be immortal but it was always a predestination loop since Adel is imprisoned so there would be no sorceress for her to take control as the only reason Edea is a sorceress is because after being defeated and dying Ultramercia passes her powers to her and if that did not happened then Riona would not be the sorceress since Adel would not pass her powers to anyone (this is a assumption she was never able to escape and so never able to pass her powers).

I know its convoluted because a lot of things only fall in place later, in fact you only realize how Edea got her powers and from who after you beaten the game, there is also a lot not talked about as there is nothing that says there is only one but in the game there power does goes from Ultramercia->Edea->Riona and Adel->Riona that I guess will then go Riona->???/???->Ultramercia and a lot of characters motivations matter but arent exactly "main plot required" because Laguna is not really relevant despite his connection to Ellone and Riona (that is a bit of a red herring), the story doesnt seem very complex but when you look at it and realize there is a lot of baggage its rather simple.

 

[Hyperion]

Garland did it better.

 

[Damned Registrations]

Did FF8 have an ending? All I remember was some stupid scene with Squall and Rinoa that didn't mean jack shit.

My memory of the storyline goes something like this:

Amnesia bros spend about the first half of the game faffing about doing mercenary work that doesn't matter. Eventually Edea joins the party after they tried to kill her (why?) and Rinoa becomes a witch (why?) and then Rinoa happens to be in space so she gets possessed by Adel to free her, then everyone runs off to fight ultamecia, who hasn't been in the game up to that point. Retards win and throw a party or something, the end. Oh, and the party was hallucinating about some guy from the past, but nothing he did was related in any way so I forgot literally everything about him. I don't even remember who the fuck ellone was. Or that Edea died. I thought she left the party and just hung out with Cid for the rest of the game at some point. Which, why the fuck did Cid send his students to murder his wife?

Raijin and Fujin got more screen time than pretty much all the npcs I just mentioned despite being comic relief or something.

 

[†††]

Still better than Nomura/Square Enix trash

But FF8 was the original Nomura trash, IIRC it was the first game where he had more of an input development wise, while Sakaguchi was dedicating himself to FF9 who was being developed nearly at the same time. Might explain the time travel elements, Nomura seems to love that shit.

The most stupid thing about the game is Squall ditching that hottie Quistis in favor of Rinoa, the most annoying bitch in the whole series.

 

[pocahaunted]

That explains why FF9 is the best FF.

 

[aweigh]

Wow, didn't realize FF8 was all Nomura. I hate him even more now. Dude legitimately killed Final Fantasy franchise.

 

[Thac0]

Obligatory mention of Nomuras fuckbuddy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazushige_Nojima who was the scenario writer for FF VIII, was largely responsible for Kingdom Hearts harsh story direction change following Chain of Memories, made Advent Children and wrote the ATROCIOUS novel where Tidus fucks Yuna and then gets his head blown off by a Blitzball.



But he also was scenario writer in FF VII, KH 1 and FFX so take it how you will

 

[Ninjerk]

Ultimately, the best FF I think has to be Tactics.

 

[TheImplodingVoice]

Obligatory mention of Nomuras fuckbuddy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazushige_Nojima who was the scenario writer for FF VIII, was largely responsible for Kingdom Hearts harsh story direction change following Chain of Memories, made Advent Children and wrote the ATROCIOUS novel where Tidus fucks Yuna and then gets his head blown off by a Blitzball.



But he also was scenario writer in FF VII, KH 1 and FFX so take it how you will

Never knew there was a novel. So Tidus finally got some Yuna pussy

 

[Delterius]

and wrote the ATROCIOUS novel where Tidus fucks Yuna and then gets his head blown off by a Blitzball.

Excuse me that was the funniest shit in years.

 

[Rahdulan]

Ultimately, the best FF I think has to be Tactics.

Not being a numbered core entry it is forever marked as out of the race, though. Although, I would say it is probably peak writing Squaresoft ever put out there, or it shares the spot with Vagrant Story. Is it a coincidence the same guy was in charge of both games? We'll never know, but I always considered Matsuno's writing to be very atypical and almost a poor fit for JRPGs in general. He's someone who focuses more on extensive setting building and overarching stories where you have a small POV versus plots driven by character drama and such. A westaboo, if you will. Not in the same vein as Kojima, but rather someone who looked into the Wars of the Roses and Yugoslav Wars as inspiration for his games.

 

[Delterius]

Not being a numbered core entry it is forever marked as out of the race, though.

Incorrect. Being so much better than all the others marks it as too good to be compared. It is the undisputable King of the Hill.

In the fullness of time maybe Final Fantasy 67 shall be as good as Tactics.

 

[aweigh]

FFT, Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy 12... Team Ivalice knows how to make good games.

 

[†††]

Vagrant Story is a clusterfuck though. Nice visuals, atmosphere and story but the game systems are rage inducing.

 

[Matador]

Ivalice is incline. FFT, FFXII and Vagrant Story, what else do you need?

FFT best Tactics RPG, no contest. You only get that satisfaction playing games like classic X-Com

FFXII great cities and best RTWP combat ever. Virgin baldurs gate pre buff mods VS CHAD gambits. Some cool bosses also. Small party size main flaw.

The only infuriating thing about Vagrant story are some puzzles and platforming on final castle and slow menus, in general bad interface. You don't even need to min Max weapons to beat the game, but it's very satisfying to make specialist tools out of monocled autism. A remake or sequel would be the best thing since ELEX or Wizardry 1.

 

[Ash]

Damn hippies. While FFT, Vagrant Story and FF12 are all decent I prefer the mainline games by far, namely 5 through to 9.

Just one reason of many for this preference is that they have different settings every time, and even within each setting there's tons of variety, rather than being set in boring Ivalice and its bland environments every time. ...That's not fair, Ivalice is a creative setting but it doesn't appeal to me in the same way.

 

[Nahel]

I will never get the love for FF12. For me it was shitty, uninspired and boring. Like playing a mmo offline or some rpg with terrible fillers...

 

[Ash]

It was playable, though so very grindy (hence the MMO comparison). I really liked the gambit system. But yes, it doesn't qualify as a Final Fantasy game for me. Inferior in every way. Gameplay, art, story, soundtrack...Ivalice hipsters gun b hip. I just choose to assume they haven't played the good mainline FF games in years, if at all. But hey, there are people that are fans of FF13 or 15 out there so I shouldn't be surprised.

This one track was worthy though:

 

[GhostCow]

The last good mainline Final Fantasy game was either X or IX depending on how much you dislike the cast of X. To say otherwise is heresy worthy of burning at the stake.

 

[Yosharian]

FF12 is terrible, I recently gave it another try and even the Zodiac Age changes cannot save this game. It is fucking awful. It beggars belief that people think this shitty game is incline.

And I'm not even an FF hater, I like 7 for fuck's sake.

 

[Damned Registrations]

Ivalice is great for settings and characters, but FFT was the only one with good gameplay and to be fair they were iterating on TO. Though they did do a good job of that. But VS and FF12 were both dumpster fires as far as gameplay/mechanics go.

 

[Ash]

And I'm not even an FF hater, I like 7 for fuck's sake.

You say that like it's shameful. The game was a massive hit for good reason. I remember when it became popular to hate FF7 in certain dark corners, I never did sheepishly join that bandwagon. I replayed all the classics recently (with difficulty hacks) and FF7 came out on top for me. There's a lot to love, especially once the difficulty is appropriate w/hack.

 

[Falksi]

I'm in agreement with how wank 12 was.

I did enjoy it to some degree when it first came out, but never finished it. Having recently picked up the HD remaster it's easy to see why. As others have said it's bloated MMO shit big time. The fact that the remsater has a "fast forward" option tells you all you need to know about how bloated it is.

I like the cast & some of the story, and it's got some great elements (even the MMO style combat is kinda enjoyable if setup right). But the game's structure & pacing absolutely kill it. It's not a patch on earlier entries in the series.

 

[Ash]

The fact that the remsater has a "fast forward" option tells you all you need to know about how bloated it is.

I don't want to downplay your point at all, but Square Enix ButcheryMasterings for all classic FF games are all garbage. Adding in fast forward in others, cheats on demand, save anywhere and achievements. All shit that has no place if you ask me...I say this despite abusing the crap out of fast forward and save anywhere when playing with difficulty hacks on an emulator. How about adding hard/easy difficulty modes instead? Battle speed slider for FF9? Summon spell cutscene reducer for any of them after 7? No, the game needs cheats and achievements, or terrible character sprites for FF6. Fuck you Square Enix.

It's not a patch on earlier entries in the series.

The funny thing is in its complete inadequacy you can tell it's the last time Square Enix actually tried to make a good FF game.

Back to shame: the one it's shameful yet understandable to admit to liking is FFX-2. Sphere grid was fun. Like 12 its clear this was a Square Enix-influenced game, not worthy among the true old classics. But it was still enjoyable in its own right. Then came 13 and the series just became irredeemable trash. Complete shramefur dispray. I have no idea how people, even the sheeple that don't really play games yet buy all the latest trash, can actually like that shit.

 

[JDR13]

All of the modern FF titles are mostly crap imo. I don't see how XII is worse than any of the games from X onwards. The series peaked from IV to VII.

Also, I never understood the love for Vagrant Story. I gave up at some point when I encountered a dragon that I couldn't defeat because it was nearly immune to all the weapons I had. That was a long time ago, but I don't remember the gameplay or story seeming like anything special.