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The Last Of Us 2 - now with protagonist-murdering trannies

norolim

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Great story. Shame it's based on a false premise. Cuckman did in fact write Part 1 and was a creative director on that game. Apparently, he isn't completely talentless and is capable of writing a somewhat competent story and characters. The problem is, that's not what he was trying to do in Part 2. When making it, Cuckman was first and foremost preoccupied with conveying ideological messages and ticking off a checklist dictated by that ideology. One of those check marks was deconstructing the most significant representatives of the class enemy white patriarchy. This is not the approach you take, when you're trying to create a compelling story and well developed characters. it's what you do, to produce propaganda. So it's like cvv said: ideology and spite.

Google Bruce Straley. He created the characters of Joel and Ellie. Also the ending of Tlou1 was not done by Cuckmann.

Basically he was the creative director but the hard work was done by other people.
I'm not imagining he did everything on his own. I'm also not overrating his talent. All I'm saying his creative direction lead to something that the unwashed masses consider quality, at least once before. I have no way to check how much actual writing/work he did on TLoU1.
 

vonAchdorf

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Full disclosure: I never played TLoU 1 (or 2). Even for the first game I found all those deeep/mature/GotGeneration/10/10 ratings to be a turn-off. I only played the Uncharted series.
 

Robber Baron

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Nah, in the long run that won't do shit. Every institution that has a semblance of power in the west leans left, sometimes hard left. Meme-ing, review bombing - these are just minor bumps on the road for an industry which is no longer wholly motivated by profit.

Thankfully the game industry does not exist in vacuum, the world changes so fast every time you can never know when the next bump gonna change everything
 

TheHeroOfTime

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I've playing this thing for a while. As a game is gud IMO, better than the original in terms of gameplay and such. It's still a atmospheric walking simulator about surviving plant zombies, mind this if you want to try these games. Now, the story... you have an incredibly big problem when mere flashbacks (About Joel an Ellie in the time period of the first game) are way more appealing than the new story the game wants to tell. Simply put: This game needs Joel, because this story is about him and the Ellen page clone. And they literally thrown him in to the nearest bin.
 

Generic-Giant-Spider

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At least in anime the girls don't have receding hairlines.
 

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I think a big part of the frustration is the fact that the developers wanted to hide Abby until the end, and only the leaks prevented that, and even then the leaks were seen by a small minority of the playerbase.

It's the feeling of insincerity, not even mentioning the cooked trailer with Joel, which hurts the most. Why did Naughty dog not present Abby in any of the trailers? They could have pulled it off without spoiling she will be killing Joel.

My answer is - because they knew what the effect would be. People would run and cancel preorders at the news they won't be playing with the same main characters.
 

Tehdagah

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I've playing this thing for a while. As a game is gud IMO, better than the original in terms of gameplay and such. It's still a atmospheric walking simulator about surviving plant zombies, mind this if you want to try these games. Now, the story... you have an incredibly big problem when mere flashbacks (About Joel an Ellie in the time period of the first game) are way more appealing than the new story the game wants to tell. Simply put: This game needs Joel, because this story is about him and the Ellen page clone. And they literally thrown him in to the nearest bin.
Nice to see the opinion of someone who played the game. Are the cutscenes skippable at least?
 

Tehdagah

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If you think this won't make up for its development costs, you are sadly mistaken. It will turn profit.

It might, but it will probably disappoint. Remember this is a PS4 exclusive, they are supposed to be universally liked and sell 10s of millions of copies, not get a 3.4 user score on Metacritic and merely sell a few million.

Yeah, that's not how the destruction of these big IPs works. It's gonna be like Star Wars - TLJ did make 1.3 billion. That's a huge amount of money and huge profit for Disney.

Problem is it's way less than 2.1 billion for Force Awakens. And it also caused the third film to flop even more, with "mere" 1.1 billion. This is not what's expected from successful trilogies. Series like LotR or Harry Potter were either more or equally successful with each subsequent sequel.

So my humble tip is this: TLoU1 sold 20 million (as did Uncharted 4). The second game will sell maybe 13 million? And if they make a third game it'll have a hard time reaching 10 million. And this is all the most optimistic prediction for ND I could manage.

And just like that Naughty Dog will decline from a studio that was regularly selling 20 million to someone selling half that, if lucky. From the top of the world into the crowded average.
Uncharted 4 and the Chloe's spin-off were woke already, as well the TLoU dlc. You are underestimating Sony's audience.
 
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Olinser

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Nooooo you can't kill my Joelrino, Last of Us is a happy story

Killing his 12 yo daughter was ok tho

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Nobody is saying you can't kill off characters, moron, or that everything has to be happy sunshine diabetes land.

They killed off Joel in the most ludicrously disrespectful way possible, in a manner that borders on torture porn. And then forced you to play as the killer for the majority of the game, and they get off SCOT FREE at the end.
 

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Yes, it's pretty clear with Joel's death that every sort of internal logic was twisted in order to fit what the writer "just wanted to happen" in order to move the plot in the way he desired. This is pretty lame, bad writing 101.
 

Tehdagah

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Nooooo you can't kill my Joelrino, Last of Us is a happy story

Killing his 12 yo daughter was ok tho

45vsgo.jpg


Nobody is saying you can't kill off characters, moron, or that everything has to be happy sunshine diabetes land.

They killed off Joel in the most ludicrously disrespectful way possible, in a manner that borders on torture porn. And then forced you to play as the killer for the majority of the game, and they get off SCOT FREE at the end.
There's nothing glorious about being murdered. And I still yet have to see all this "torture porn" people are talking about.
 

wahrk

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I shouldn’t have gone poking around the rest of that sub. There’s still far too many idiots claiming it’s a masterpiece and everyone who hates it are just bigots.
 

Tehdagah

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Yes, it's pretty clear with Joel's death that every sort of internal logic was twisted in order to fit what the writer "just wanted to happen" in order to move the plot in the way he desired. This is pretty lame, bad writing 101.
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Protip: the biggest issue of this game's writing is being a sequel to the first TLoU.
 

Shinros

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Yes, it's pretty clear with Joel's death that every sort of internal logic was twisted in order to fit what the writer "just wanted to happen" in order to move the plot in the way he desired. This is pretty lame, bad writing 101.
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Protip: the biggest issue of this game's writing is being a sequel to the first TLoU.
Fail, Joel attacked the dad in TLOU1 until he saw his kid.

Even got video proof.

 
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