Decline Which will fail the hardest?

[rusty_shackleford]

BG3 will be a massive commercial success no matter how good it is or isn't

 

[Mexi]

Bloodlines: 2 screams out in that list. The amount of SJW bullshit I read a while back is making me nervous. I think Pathfinder: 2 or Avowed will probably be the best out of that list. Learning towards Kingmaker 2 being my favorite, but I need to see more about what Avowed is about.

 

[Dodo1610]

There is no such thing as guaranteed success in video games anymore. Larian's biggest hurdle is not to convince the Codex to buy BG3 but to get the 2-3Mio DOS2 fans to engage with a ruleset that actually requires some thought.

 

[Butter]

There is no such thing as guaranteed success in video games anymore. Larian's biggest hurdle is not to convince the Codex to buy BG3 but to get the 2-3Mio DOS2 fans to engage with a ruleset that actually requires some thought.

There's a 100% chance of them tuning down the difficulty after Swen embarrassed himself playing the demo. It will be possible to auto-attack blindfolded through BG3.

 

[Tyranicon]

There is no such thing as guaranteed success in video games anymore. Larian's biggest hurdle is not to convince the Codex to buy BG3 but to get the 2-3Mio DOS2 fans to engage with a ruleset that actually requires some thought.

There's a 100% chance of them tuning down the difficulty after Swen embarrassed himself playing the demo. It will be possible to auto-attack blindfolded through BG3.

Even better, it will have Shenmue 3-esque button mashing where your character just attacks for you regardless of input.

And the only spell is fireball and it will not deal friendly damage. It's also now a cantrip.

 

[DalekFlay]

"Go woke, go broke". Not only will it bomb because of that and because the VTM brand is niche, but also because the game will suck on the technical side as well. It's being developed by woke incompetents.

If Bloodlines 2 bombs it will be because it's a sequel to a game most mainstream gamers never played, and will likely be janky as fuck on release. Its San Francisco politics will have very little to do with it. See: a bunch of hit games with San Francisco politics.

 

[Tyranicon]

There is no such thing as guaranteed success in video games anymore. Larian's biggest hurdle is not to convince the Codex to buy BG3 but to get the 2-3Mio DOS2 fans to engage with a ruleset that actually requires some thought.

Hey, DOS mechanics have thought.

"Everything's covered with fire for some goddamned reason and I can't see shit."

See? A thought.

 

[Ulysa]

There's no way in the 9hells that BG3 is going to fail. Not a BG game? Shitty writing? These things don't matter as long it has turn based system and multiplayer for couples of casuals playing together something easy to understand. And on top of that you have DnD fanatics that will love it just because it's DnD.

Pathfinder has its player base now, it's not aiming to gain huge new audiences so I don't see how it can fail either.

 

[Commissar Draco]

Kingmaker 2 will be more of the same from Owlcat, but turned up a notch. In other words, incline. Baldur's Gate III will not resemble the franchise, but it will be fun. As stated many times, the setting and supplied mechanics should save Larian from themselves. Avowed will give tap water and wonder bread serious competition for blandness and generic quality. It will make no mistakes, but achieve nothing. Obsidian has kissed the ring. Let us dwell on them no more.

Bloodlines 2 though...oh my. Serious risk of being SJW extravaganza with the polish and mechanical grace of Underword Ascendant. I'm assuming that it actually makes it to market and doesn't vaporize like the mist of a Gangrel.

This is exactly what I wanted to say Comrade, great minds do think alike:

Kingmaker: further will be good to play though after a year.

Obshitian new game... well Outer Worlds 2 in other words.

Baldurs Game 2.... It will be fun and funny game and if the Larian won't use its inventory system one I would defiantly play (from all his games I completed on Divinine Divinity 1 and the one where you could fly around as Dragon cause for some reason there was normal inventory there.) Unlike most codexers I do absurd and silly writing of Larian so Cautiously optimistic here.

Bloodlines... No way it will be not SJW shit fest, the devs are nothing like troika.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Bloodlines stands out for a multitude of reasons:
The original game didn't sell very well. Yes, it has gathered a cult following after release but so did PST. If anything, those people will end up being far more critical of it than traditional fans. TToN tried to bank off the same thing, how did that work out?
The developer is pretty much a complete unknown. Before being rebranded, the developer basically made shovelware. Yeah, they have a couple high profile names ... As has been repeatedly shown by the kickstarter era, having old talent is nowhere near enough.
The promos released so far have been very underwhelming.

So whether you're judging it based on commercial success or being a good game, I don't think it will succeed in either area. Really don't know enough about Avowed to judge it, but my gut tells me it will end up being average and selling well.

 

[Darth Canoli]

Avowed will be the shittiest streamlined fuckery ever released but Bloodlines the most retarded, even obsidian can't compete with tranny vampires...

 

[Outmind]

I vote for Cyberpunk since it's likely to achieve unprecedented commercial success, but, like the witcher, fail as a proper rpg.

 

[Luckmann]

I am imagining Shitmaker 2 to include not only the kingdom management mode, but also some sort of marriage management mode, where you manage your marriage.

You're the man that thought Paladins were a munchkin class.

Shut the fuck up.

 

[Murk]

Bloodlines looks like the worst -- not just in terms of being a tragedy compared to the first, but even just sucking on "its own merits".

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

You're the man that thought Paladins were a munchkin class.

Shut the fuck up.

They are.

 

[Semiurge]

If Bloodlines 2 bombs it will be because it's a sequel to a game most mainstream gamers never played

Thus niche, like I said.

 

[DalekFlay]

If Bloodlines 2 bombs it will be because it's a sequel to a game most mainstream gamers never played

Thus niche, like I said.

Yes. I was just saying I doubt woke politics will play much of a role, given how successful many woke games/movies are, but who knows.

 

[Luckmann]

There is no such thing as guaranteed success in video games anymore. Larian's biggest hurdle is not to convince the Codex to buy BG3 but to get the 2-3Mio DOS2 fans to engage with a ruleset that actually requires some thought.

Saying that D&D 5e "requires some thought" is highly generous, and I also want to draw your attention to how Larian managed to dumb down D:OS1 to D:OS2, despite D:OS1 already being quite simple.

 

[Jackpot]

Baldur's Gate 3 looks like it'll just be Divinity:OS 2 painted over with a coat of Baldur's Gate lore.
Pathfinder 2 will be Kingmaker with a bunch of new mechanics spaghetti-coded on top of existing ones.
Avowed will be The Outer Worlds with swords, might actually be worse than Skyrim somehow.
Bloodlines 2 looks like it's going to have the quality of the Thief remake.

 

[Roguey]

BG3 and Righteous Wrath look fun, Avowed has the benefit of taking advantage of what they built in The Outer Worlds and Microsoft money to make it as less garbage as possible, Bloodlines 2 doesn't look fun and doesn't have the money to fix its gameplay problems (writing is a lost cause).

 

[pidstuff]

No Cyberpunk?

 

[Drowed]

No Cyberpunk?

Cyberpunk will be Codex GOTY 2020 10/10 with an 800+ page topic on release. Which will certainly piss off the other half of Codex. It's gonna be glorious, I can't wait. The topic will be more interesting and fun than the game itself without a doubt.

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

Cyberpunk like Witcha 3 will be a game much criticized by edgy retards here, but an excellent game nevertheless. It does not belong in the conversation with the retardations in this thread.

 

[Sweeper]

Cyberpunk will be Codex GOTY 2020 10/10 with an 800+ page topic on release. Which will certainly piss off the other half of Codex. It's gonna be glorious, I can't wait. The topic will be more interesting and fun than the game itself without a doubt.

Maybe the Codex was the decline all along?

Cyberpunk like Witcha 3 will be a game much criticized by edgy retards here, but an excellent game nevertheless. It does not belong in the conversation with the retardations in this thread.

An otherwise excellent game that was a pretty horrible RPG gets criticized on a forum that's focused on RPGs.
Weird...

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

Meh, you get old enough, you realize it's good not to be too dogmatic. Given a choice between a very fun game that's not a proper rpg (Witcha 3 or BotW) and the so called perfect RPG (say AoD), one is clearly a lot more fun than the other. And isn't that what this hobby is all about?