Dwarf Fortress now on Steam with a graphical overhaul

[Perkel]

Seriously GTFO guys with stockholm syndrome for keyboard only controls. Try to fucking build anything in vanilla without mods and especially if something has more than one level. It works for digging holes but if you want to actually design something and build in 3D it is fucking pain in ass.

I frequently build over ground fortresses and without mods it is practically impossible as any structure with 3-4 levels and some complexity takes 20-30 minutes even for small house so doing anything bigger is day or more work. DF keyboard scheme is playable yes but it is clear to anyone that 5 year old could do better keyboard scheme. Just that you have 3 different directional key sets for different parts of UI is enough to bang wall with head for how stupid it is.

RimWorld is completely playable without keyboard and joy to play. DF does have more complexity but that complexity is in system not in player accessibility.

 

[Casual Hero]

Seriously GTFO guys with stockholm syndrome for keyboard only controls. Try to fucking build anything in vanilla without mods and especially if something has more than one level. It works for digging holes but if you want to actually design something and build in 3D it is fucking pain in ass.

I frequently build over ground fortresses and without mods it is practically impossible as any structure with 3-4 levels and some complexity takes 20-30 minutes even for small house so doing anything bigger is day or more work. DF keyboard scheme is playable yes but it is clear to anyone that 5 year old could do better keyboard scheme. Just that you have 3 different directional key sets for different parts of UI is enough to bang wall with head for how stupid it is.

RimWorld is completely playable without keyboard and joy to play. DF does have more complexity but that complexity is in system not in player accessibility.

Yeah, I did say I was "almost sad", but this is obviously for the best. Creating structures is my least part of current Dwarf Fortress, so the first thing I want to try when we get a proper UI is to build an above ground fortress.

I hope DF will still be fully playable using keyboard only. I really like to play on keyboard without a mouse. Completed Gothics this way even. Mice suck.

I too enjoy having an actual vim-like keyboard for the game. It's much nicer for playing on a laptop. I do worry that they'll run into the problem of trying to support two modes of a complex interface and just making a mess of both.

While it would be nice to keep the same keyboard controls as an option, that is not going to happen. Toady already said that the Classic version will get all the same updates as the Steam version. That being said, keyboard controls aren't out of the question; they would just be different from what we are used to, if anything. Like he said, the UI will be organized into 6 categories- maybe there will be a key to open each of these. Whatever happens, it's going to be different from what it is now, and there is going to be no going back.

 

[Farewell into the night]

Is Toad is a member or lurking rpgcodex?

 

[Perkel]

Is Toad is a member or lurking rpgcodex?

Doubt it, dude is full autist who spend all days working on DF doing nothing else than that. Up until he put patreon he lived in effectively some flat that looked like hovel and barely got by with bills. The only reason you hear about him more now is that someone from family has health issues and he needs good chunk of money.

To understand his autism level you need to understand that he finished MIT and he received research fellowship on MIT for a year until he quit on his own (MIT wanted to continue) to make his previous game DF1 which was 3D.

If he would be then he would be in secret gronard lodge with few posts but been here since forever.

 

[Konjad]

Seriously GTFO guys with stockholm syndrome for keyboard only controls. Try to fucking build anything in vanilla without mods and especially if something has more than one level. It works for digging holes but if you want to actually design something and build in 3D it is fucking pain in ass.

I frequently build over ground fortresses and without mods it is practically impossible as any structure with 3-4 levels and some complexity takes 20-30 minutes even for small house so doing anything bigger is day or more work. DF keyboard scheme is playable yes but it is clear to anyone that 5 year old could do better keyboard scheme. Just that you have 3 different directional key sets for different parts of UI is enough to bang wall with head for how stupid it is.

RimWorld is completely playable without keyboard and joy to play. DF does have more complexity but that complexity is in system not in player accessibility.

Keyboard controls definitely needed an improvement (and a proper tree structure), but the idea was definitely fine. You don't need a mouse to play games like this, in fact they are often a hindrance. Keyboard is both faster and more convenient if properly implemented.

 

[Johannes]

For some things keyboard is better, for some things mouse is better. For most things, using just one of them is suboptimal.

 

[Perkel]

For some things keyboard is better, for some things mouse is better. For most things, using just one of them is suboptimal.

And yet RimWorld plays ideally without any keyboard involvement. Literally same type of game. Only things you really need from keyboard is pause button which could be remaped to mouse either way.

 

[Tacgnol]

If Toady leaves the option to continue using keyboard shortcuts, I don't see why it matters too much either way.

Must admit, with the changes to DF every major version it is frustrating having to learn new keyboard shortcuts.

 

[Johannes]

For some things keyboard is better, for some things mouse is better. For most things, using just one of them is suboptimal.

And yet RimWorld plays ideally without any keyboard involvement. Literally same type of game. Only things you really need from keyboard is pause button which could be remaped to mouse either way.

There's a lot of essential keybinds in Rimworld, but the game would benefit from having more of them, so you wouldn't need to use mouse for navigating menus.

 

[Perkel]

If Toady leaves the option to continue using keyboard shortcuts, I don't see why it matters too much either way.

Must admit, with the changes to DF every major version it is frustrating having to learn new keyboard shortcuts.

I don't remember him changing any shortcuts to any new version. Adding new keybinds sure but not changing old ones.

 

[Perkel]

look at it motherfuckers. DF goes into 2000 era !

MOUSE DRIVEN MENU !

 

[Kalin]

 

[AgentFransis]

What a time to be alive.

 

[Farewell into the night]

Nice colours. They remind me of something, but I can't remember.

 

[anvi]

Reese's? Mr Hanky?

 

[RoBoBOBR]

Underrail

 

[anvi]

When can one play with that mf?

 

[Space Satan]

Another 5 years of developement and Toady willreach RimWorld early alpha levels! Incredible!

 

[Perkel]

Another 10 and maybe there will be graphene CPUs that will allow us to play DF with more than small embark and more than 200 dwarves without FPS death.

 

[Jimmious]

The UI images are borderline orgasmic

 

[Visperas]

Tears in my eyes...

 

[Haba]

Is this the point where someone finally asks if we really need to have 40 different leather types for backpacks on embark? No?

O.K.

 

[Perkel]

Is this the point where someone finally asks if we really need to have 40 different leather types for backpacks on embark? No?

O.K.

We reallly need it. It is one of the features i like about DF. Nothing feels better than make equipment out of dragon. Dragon socks, Dragon loincloth etc. I wish though that materials used would severely impact equipment protection endurance etc.

There is some correlation but it is small for things outside of common metals.

 

[ADL]

I think this is the first look we've had at dwarves in the official tileset?
https://store.steampowered.com/newshub/app/975370/view/2851296383029179866
The UI looks great
https://store.steampowered.com/newshub/app/975370/view/4639224265623959693

Edit: Goddamn it fucking search function doesn't work. This thread didn't even show up.

 

[dehimos]

 

[Hace El Oso]

The music is good.