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Pathfinder Advisors in Pathfinder: Kingmaker

Gargaune

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Ahh... remember the days when companions were hidden, and could be missed entirely? Or you had to meet specific criteria for them to be joinable? Even Owlcat doesn't have the balls to do that. What was the last game that did? Dragon Age: Origins?
You could easily never even know Ekundayo was in PFKM if you're the eager explorer type, and quite a few of your companions have dialogue choices where you can just murder them when you first meet. Also, on the advisors side, Bartholomew and Tsanna are very easy to miss for recruitment. Bottom line, Kingmaker's not too bad in this regard.
 

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Ahh... remember the days when companions were hidden, and could be missed entirely? Or you had to meet specific criteria for them to be joinable? Even Owlcat doesn't have the balls to do that. What was the last game that did? Dragon Age: Origins?
You could easily never even know Ekundayo was in PFKM if you're the eager explorer type, and quite a few of your companions have dialogue choices where you can just murder them when you first meet. Also, on the advisors side, Bartholomew and Tsanna are very easy to miss for recruitment. Bottom line, Kingmaker's not too bad in this regard.

It is entirelly possible to fumble recruiting Jubilost too. And you are one reckless choice away from loosing out on Vordakai as an advisor.
 
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Ahh... remember the days when companions were hidden, and could be missed entirely? Or you had to meet specific criteria for them to be joinable? Even Owlcat doesn't have the balls to do that. What was the last game that did? Dragon Age: Origins?
You could easily never even know Ekundayo was in PFKM if you're the eager explorer type, and quite a few of your companions have dialogue choices where you can just murder them when you first meet. Also, on the advisors side, Bartholomew and Tsanna are very easy to miss for recruitment. Bottom line, Kingmaker's not too bad in this regard.

Plenty of people seem to miss Jubilost, too. It would seem he disappears after Act II or if you complete Troll Trouble before going to the river crossing.

I think Owlcat may have the nerve to make companions with inevitable and irreconcilable conflicts for WotR. Optimistic, I know, but it would not be out of place in that setting.
 

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Ahh... remember the days when companions were hidden, and could be missed entirely? Or you had to meet specific criteria for them to be joinable? Even Owlcat doesn't have the balls to do that. What was the last game that did? Dragon Age: Origins?
You could easily never even know Ekundayo was in PFKM if you're the eager explorer type, and quite a few of your companions have dialogue choices where you can just murder them when you first meet. Also, on the advisors side, Bartholomew and Tsanna are very easy to miss for recruitment. Bottom line, Kingmaker's not too bad in this regard.

Plenty of people seem to miss Jubilost, too. It would seem he disappears after Act II or if you complete Troll Trouble before going to the river crossing.

I think Owlcat may have the nerve to make companions with inevitable and irreconcilable conflicts for WotR. Optimistic, I know, but it would not be out of place in that setting.

It's already confirmed for WOTR that some companions will leave you/oppose you if you choose certain Mythics paths. Companions in BG3 can also leave you if you make certain decisions. Anyway, we already know that you can kill all companions on sight and just play with a custom party, so no one is forcing anyone to watch anything.
 

Gargaune

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It is entirelly possible to fumble recruiting Jubilost too. And you are one reckless choice away from loosing out on Vordakai as an advisor.
I omitted Vordakai since he's part of a mutually-exclusive pair, so you're not missing an advisor so much as you're picking one of two.

Plenty of people seem to miss Jubilost, too. It would seem he disappears after Act II or if you complete Troll Trouble before going to the river crossing.
Doesn't Jubilost eventually make his own way to your capital if you don't come across his broken wagon? I think I read that somewhere.

Companions in BG3 can also leave you if you make certain decisions. Anyway, we already know that you can kill all companions on sight and just play with a custom party, so no one is forcing anyone to watch anything.
Is this a definite? Been a bugbear of mine about party handling, I really hope we're able to kill or at least kick companions and fill the gaps with IWD meat puppets. That, and there being a force attack action...
 

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It is entirelly possible to fumble recruiting Jubilost too. And you are one reckless choice away from loosing out on Vordakai as an advisor.
I omitted Vordakai since he's part of a mutually-exclusive pair, so you're not missing an advisor so much as you're picking one of two.

Eh, you're saying that as if Maegar was a viable choice at all, compared to an aeons-old cyclopean lich.
 

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Eh, you're saying that as if Maegar was a viable choice at all, compared to an aeons-old cyclopean lich.

A fair number of people seem to miss out on getting Bartholomew as a potential advisor too... or they accidentally get him killed before it becomes possible. And then there's Tsanna, who most good-aligned characters would never even realize can be another advisor. Neither are companions, but Kingmaker is definitely okay with players missing stuff.
 
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Eh, you're saying that as if Maegar was a viable choice at all, compared to an aeons-old cyclopean lich.

A fair number of people seem to miss out on getting Bartholomew as a potential advisor too... or they accidentally get him killed before it becomes possible. And then there's Tsanna, who most good-aligned characters would never even realize can be another advisor. Neither are companions, but Kingmaker is definitely okay with players missing stuff.
Who the fuck is tsanna?
 

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Eh, you're saying that as if Maegar was a viable choice at all, compared to an aeons-old cyclopean lich.

A fair number of people seem to miss out on getting Bartholomew as a potential advisor too... or they accidentally get him killed before it becomes possible. And then there's Tsanna, who most good-aligned characters would never even realize can be another advisor. Neither are companions, but Kingmaker is definitely okay with players missing stuff.
Who the fuck is tsanna?
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The priest of Lamashtu that you encounter during the quest where you have to search for a follower of Lamashtu in the cabin (you have to investigate various rooms and talk to a couple of groups of people). You can kill, exile, or spare her, and this last option allows you to recruit her as an advisor if you go to her shrine after the quest is completed.
 

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Eh, you're saying that as if Maegar was a viable choice at all, compared to an aeons-old cyclopean lich.

A fair number of people seem to miss out on getting Bartholomew as a potential advisor too... or they accidentally get him killed before it becomes possible. And then there's Tsanna, who most good-aligned characters would never even realize can be another advisor. Neither are companions, but Kingmaker is definitely okay with players missing stuff.
Who the fuck is tsanna?
AMAZING advisor as a councilor. You want her.
 

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Eh, you're saying that as if Maegar was a viable choice at all, compared to an aeons-old cyclopean lich.

A fair number of people seem to miss out on getting Bartholomew as a potential advisor too... or they accidentally get him killed before it becomes possible. And then there's Tsanna, who most good-aligned characters would never even realize can be another advisor. Neither are companions, but Kingmaker is definitely okay with players missing stuff.
Who the fuck is tsanna?


The priest of Lamashtu that you encounter during the quest where you have to search for a follower of Lamashtu in the cabin (you have to investigate various rooms and talk to a couple of groups of people). You can kill, exile, or spare her, and this last option allows you to recruit her as an advisor if you go to her shrine after the quest is completed.
^^ This. Makes a better councillor than Tristian imo, not that that's hard.
 

Parabalus

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Doesn't Jubilost eventually make his own way to your capital if you don't come across his broken wagon? I think I read that somewhere.

They added that in a patch, since missing Jubilost usually meant gg, since the other treasurer got added only with the DLC.
 

bec de corbin

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Similarly, the merc as advisor feature was added because depending on events you may end up with no available councilor at all.
 

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Similarly, the merc as advisor feature was added because depending on events you may end up with no available councilor at all.
And then Owlcat majorly gimped them by having them automatically select the neutral option in kingdom events. Fuck's sake.
 

Desiderius

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Similarly, the merc as advisor feature was added because depending on events you may end up with no available councilor at all.
And then Owlcat majorly gimped them by having them automatically select the neutral option in kingdom events. Fuck's sake.

Mercs are supposed to suck.

Outside of missing Jub you have to work hard to miss out on having companion options.
 

Desiderius

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Similarly, the merc as advisor feature was added because depending on events you may end up with no available councilor at all.

If you do at that point it isn’t game-breaking and reflects the choices you’ve made.

Working as intended.
 

Nano

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If you do at that point it isn’t game-breaking and reflects the choices you’ve made.

Working as intended.
Come the fuck on.

Your choices for Councilor are:
* Someone who betrays you mid-game and becomes temporarily unavailable no matter what.
* A snotty old woman you probably didn't pick up during the first act.
* A psychotic bitch who takes a while to become available, and she's easily missable as an advisor if you don't know about her beforehand.

You're the fucking monarch, it shouldn't be this hard to find decent advisors.
 

Desiderius

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If you do at that point it isn’t game-breaking and reflects the choices you’ve made.

Working as intended.
Come the fuck on.

Your choices for Councilor are:
* Someone who betrays you mid-game and becomes temporarily unavailable no matter what.
* A snotty old woman you probably didn't pick up during the first act.
* A psychotic bitch who takes a while to become available, and she's easily missable as an advisor if you don't know about her beforehand.

You're the fucking monarch, it shouldn't be so hard to find decent advisors.

Tristian didn’t ultimately betray you. If you’re unmerciful (disloyal) to him, your people will notice and your kingdom will rightfully struggle with loyalty.

Same with the other two if you read the actual writing. The theme of loyalty flowing from mercy is both true and well-rendered in the text.
 
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Councilor position is indeed shit. There should have been others available as councilor, the current choices/limitations make zero sense whatsoever.

A really obvious one would have been Harrim. Also, the cleric guy whose name I forgot. Jhod or somesuch?
 

Desiderius

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The other two advisor choices are children. Mervey is depicted as likely a rival. The sagacious ruler keeps friends close and enemies closer. That choice is rewarded by getting the only advisor worth anything.
 

Desiderius

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Councilor position is indeed shit. There should have been others available as councilor, the current choices/limitations make zero sense whatsoever.

A really obvious one would have been Harrim. Also, the cleric guy whose name I forgot. Jhod or somesuch?

All three make better than sense, they’re all related to what builds loyalty.
 
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Councilor position is indeed shit. There should have been others available as councilor, the current choices/limitations make zero sense whatsoever.

A really obvious one would have been Harrim. Also, the cleric guy whose name I forgot. Jhod or somesuch?

All three make better than sense, they’re all related to what builds loyalty.
Why isn't Kassil a potential councilor then?
It was arbitrary and dumb.
 

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Probably the dumbest thing is when the mage Bartholomew joins your team but he's only available as a Treasurer or Diplomat, not as an Arcane advisor. Even though nothing in his quest suggested he specializes in those two areas.
 

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