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[Zarniwoop]

This shit is STILL going?

How gullible are you people?

 

[fantadomat]

This shit is STILL going?

How gullible are you people?

What do you mean? It is a good entertainment thread,better than the "game" for sure.

 

[Zarniwoop]

This shit is STILL going?

How gullible are you people?

What do you mean? It is a good entertainment thread,better than the "game" for sure.

I meant is the "game" still going.

In any sane world Roberts would be shunned and living on the streets after being exposed as a massive charlatan - if not outright in prison for this pyramid scheme by now.

But I guess it's 2020 so whatever the hell these days.

 

[fantadomat]

This shit is STILL going?

How gullible are you people?

What do you mean? It is a good entertainment thread,better than the "game" for sure.

I meant is the "game" still going.

In any sane world Roberts would be shunned and living on the streets after being exposed as a massive charlatan - if not outright in prison for this pyramid scheme by now.

But I guess it's 2020 so whatever the hell these days.

Hmmm not really,we live in capitalistic work where charlatans and schemers are venerated as heroes and bringers of progress. And such was the world for last 100 years.

 

[Zarniwoop]

This shit is STILL going?

How gullible are you people?

What do you mean? It is a good entertainment thread,better than the "game" for sure.

I meant is the "game" still going.

In any sane world Roberts would be shunned and living on the streets after being exposed as a massive charlatan - if not outright in prison for this pyramid scheme by now.

But I guess it's 2020 so whatever the hell these days.

Hmmm not really,we live in capitalistic work where charlatans and schemers are venerated as heroes and bringers of progress. And such was the world for last 100 years.

Bernie Madoff disagrees.

 

[AN4RCHID]

Player Test Universe (PTU)

You mean the thing that most MMOs give to their players for free? Also couldn't they have just done an offline test client I mean that would've made more sense right you could just emulate a dedicated server. Tbh this reeks of Fallout First styled robbery. You shouldn't have to pay for a dedicated server. It's implied the host is already paying to host it to begin with. You make your money from when they purchase your game.

Only the first wave of the PTU test servers is subscribers only. It's to catch the most obvious and game breaking bugs (and admittedly, to make money off people who can't wait a week to see the new stuff). After that there's a wave that that's open to all backers to stress test. Then it gets pushed to the live servers. An offline test server wouldn't make sense because a lot of the bugs they're trying to catch are network or server related.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

An offline test server wouldn't make sense because a lot of the bugs they're trying to catch are network or server related.

except that you said the PTU is for people who can't wait which I'd assume would be a small population. Its obviously not for testing network related problems that would be the PU server as that would be the main one that most would say is live 24/7.
it seemed more like people wanted a platform where they could cheat and try out everything on the test server. Problem here is that its obvious you could've done the same thing with an offline option.
The server component there is just an excuse for them to milk their customers a further few dollars a month for no justifiable good reason. You could also get waaaaay more testing done with dedicated servers as then you could have your customers testing all kinds of different configurations.
The problem there is that Roberts is so obsessed with single shard (even though he offers a non-single shard option for a monthly fee) that he wouldn't ever allow it.

Truth of the matter the sub only exists because the team needed constant flow of revenue. That's the real reason for it. It only takes a handful of people to make such a service profitable and justifiable in the eyes of the business.
But there's absolutely no god damn reason for it and all its really done is taken away options from the rest of the player base. They could've fixed a lot more with dedicated servers. They're repeating the same mistakes Blizzard (Diablo 3) and Bioware (TOR) have made in the past. If you tell me that this games coming out Single Shard I won't believe it. Not Even EVE Online was able to pull it off successfully, they still had to compromise to make it work.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

Ok it makes sense now. Roberts intended this to be a reward system but for some reason turned it into a pay to skip and that Concierge is treated like a Lifetime Subscription (which are always scams). I understand you can still get PTU access via Merit as the different waves progress.
Roberts spent more time gamifying his monetisation than he did making the game.

 

[You]

If you tell me that this games coming out Single Shard I won't believe it.

if you tell me that his game is coming out you are gay and belong in derek smart's sex dungeon along with chris roberts

 

[RobotSquirrel]

Careful I've heard if you say Derek Smart 3 times on the internet he shows up. (said by someone who got into a fight with him on Youtube comments LOL yes he does actually fight people on the internet which explains the quality of his current games- shame because I unironically like Battlecruiser).

 

[AN4RCHID]

except that you said the PTU is for people who can't wait which I'd assume would be a small population. Its obviously not for testing network related problems that would be the PU server as that would be the main one that most would say is live 24/7.
it seemed more like people wanted a platform where they could cheat and try out everything on the test server. Problem here is that its obvious you could've done the same thing with an offline option.
The server component there is just an excuse for them to milk their customers a further few dollars a month for no justifiable good reason. You could also get waaaaay more testing done with dedicated servers as then you could have your customers testing all kinds of different configurations.
The problem there is that Roberts is so obsessed with single shard (even though he offers a non-single shard option for a monthly fee) that he wouldn't ever allow it.

The first and longest wave of testing is the evocati, which CIG doesn't get paid for. It's a more plausible explanation that CIG just doesn't want the rougher builds getting out to the wider public.

 

[Yaar Podshipnik]

RobotSquirrel how is single shard in EVE not working? TiDi?

 

[You]

Careful I've heard if you say Derek Smart 3 times on the internet he shows up. (said by someone who got into a fight with him on Youtube comments LOL yes he does actually fight people on the internet which explains the quality of his current games- shame because I unironically like Battlecruiser).

battlecruiser 3000ad is better than freelancer

both of those games are better than shart citizen by virtue of being released games

derek smart has every right to slap his dong in the face of chris roberts online

fucking hollywood wannabe cunt

 

[ADL]

Fuck that noise. Applauding a game for releasing by merit of actually releasing is retarded, especially when this is the result.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

RobotSquirrel how is single shard in EVE not working? TiDi?

It has to scale down the performance to deal with the higher population numbers in the bigger corp battles. It does well under the circumstances and all but keep in mind EVE's gameplay we're not talking a persistent action game the way we are Star Citizen. So in that context I seriously doubt SC is going to be doing anything near what EVE pulled off.

Fuck that noise. Applauding a game for releasing by merit of actually releasing is retarded, especially when this is the result.

Agreed 100% agreed.

 

[You]

Fuck that noise. Applauding a game for releasing by merit of actually releasing is retarded, especially when this is the result.

who is applauding?

just saying even a mediocre game is more competent than a pie in the sky vaporware shart

 

[Perkel]

Looks like each manufacturer in SC/SQ42 will get their own ship UI.
AEGIS from latest inside star citizen. (AEGIS is military manufacturer)
Moreover they are moving to complete physicalized interiors where each feature of ship will have its own button, light up down. Currently in inspection mode you can only take care of few things like turning engines or spooling drive.


ETA - 2027

They also were talking about components and engineer gameplay prototyping (Hammerhead corvette)

blue - power relays
orange - power generators
light orange - batteries
green - thrusters
white - weapons/turrets

Looks pretty neat. ETA "not anywhere close" so probably 3042.

 

[ADL]

just saying even a mediocre game is more competent than a pie in the sky vaporware shart

Which one would you rather play

or (not cherry picked, first result of Star Citizen gameplay 3.11)


Chris Roberts has made 10+ middling to great games.

Derek Smart has never made anything good. Anyone who treats him as if he's some thought leader in the game design space is a retard of the highest magnitude.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

Anyone who treats him as if he's some thought leader in the game design space is a retard of the highest magnitude.

The irony there being this is exactly what I got into a fight with him over lol. I stated anything that is actually designed properly shouldn't need a manual and that his obsession with manuals was the main reason I argued that Battlecruiser was never a big success to begin with.
My point to him was that all the complexity of Battlecruiser could have been resolved with some tool tips and an ingame encyclopedia. I mean he's had 30 years and yet still hasn't figured out bare standard UI/UX.
That said Neither has Chris Roberts for that matter. lol

 

[commie]

Anyone who treats him as if he's some thought leader in the game design space is a retard of the highest magnitude.

The irony there being this is exactly what I got into a fight with him over lol. I stated anything that is actually designed properly shouldn't need a manual and that his obsession with manuals was the main reason I argued that Battlecruiser was never a big success to begin with.
My point to him was that all the complexity of Battlecruiser could have been resolved with some tool tips and an ingame encyclopedia. I mean he's had 30 years and yet still hasn't figured out bare standard UI/UX.
That said Neither has Chris Roberts for that matter. lol

Well you're a fucking retard if you think this. All the best flight simulators of yore had manuals due to complexity, even DCS has online versions if not paper ones. Derek was right to spit on you and your stupidity. Go play COD you miserable ADHD addled faggot. :spits:

Joined: Aug 9, 2020

Oh sorry, I didn't realise...Carry on then zoomer...

 

[RobotSquirrel]

Well you're a fucking retard if you think this. All the best flight simulators of yore had manuals due to complexity

You missed my point completely but hey nice kneejerk. The argument was about why Battlecruiser never got the traction it was owed originally and why subsequent re-releases never struck the mark.
BC3000 was fantastic because it released at a time where manuals were the norm. Most people buying these games wanted complexity and BC3000 was one of the most complex sims on the market at the time.
However by the time he'd done Universal Combat the market was very opposed to what Derek was trying to sell and it was that stubbornness that prevented BC coming back in a big way because frankly UC should've been a return to form for Derek.
Granted he picked easily the worst publisher in the business. UC was one of the first BC titles to ship digitally. It translated poorly because of that over reliance on an external manual. He just never adapted to the change in the market I mean I was trying to advise him on why his games didn't get the attention they deserved and frankly I think its owed to that because the majority of people when they booted up UC complained they had no idea how to play to which Derek would always reply "read the manual" to which they would reply "where is the manual" (because most people never bother to search the install directory). That alone has cost him some customers would probably would've really liked BC but couldn't be bothered playing it because of frustration with getting into it.

I get it though complex games are great and amazing. I wasn't advocating oversimplification (I mean hell I talk about Invisible War all the time as example of what not to do). What I was addressing is why his games fail commercially.

Oh sorry, I didn't realise...Carry on then zoomer...

This is an official game dev account. My actual account is Mr_Cyberpunk on here.

Also to be clear I love manuals and I hope I could ship something similar with my own games. Its just maybe don't rely on it as the main primary means of engaging initial customers. There should be some tutorial in game and then the manual serves as a more in-depth approach.

 

[Perkel]

Ok Darek.

Here are latest updates:

- Star Runner huge ship is done and already in Evocati
- First Capital ship (Idris) will go toward 3.12 but for now only as system security as last line of defense) defending rest stops and stations.

new mining UI on Argo Mole (huge mining ship):

 

[freygeist87]

Im glad this stupid helmet crap is over next month. All our orga was doing this month is farming those stupid helmets.

 

[justincz]

 

[Perkel]

Seems like new cloud and atmosphere tech will be coming online in 3.12 though it could be also 3.13. From ISC:

"Progress on atmospheres, clouds, and the unified ray-marcher was merged into the main development stream. This means the improvements mentioned in last month’s report should be available in the PU in a coming release."

They work on staggered dev system so 3.12 is next but they also work on 3.13 at the same time which means either this is 3.12 or 3.13. They need that tech for new port on Crusader gas giant which is floating city which was supposed to come middle of this year but was delayed due to that cloud tech not being done.

So 3.12 could bring both gas clouds and atmosphere clouds.