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Cyberpunk 2077 Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

Semiurge

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30 pages in 24 hours. C'mon guys you can do better.
 

Ulysa

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There's a lot of (female) journos and influencers mad because the game sexualizes a lot of more women than men, and I don't get it.

In my view the key dichotomy of the Cyberpunk genre has always been the contrast between a very technologically advanced society vs a putrid society in terms of principles and morality. In such society, no matter how much it was in a dystopian future, there would be sexism, racism and other types of discrimination. So the fact that there are many more sexualized women in commercials or in the form of prostitutes in the game fits the setting and theme after all. In the same way there will be racism, for example, the inhabitants of Night city rejecting those of the outer desert. I understand that if you are a woman or if you are someone who likes men, you can raise an eyebrow when you see that practically all sexual content is aimed at a male and heterosexual audience (And with money) ... but I think that is the goal. Showing an extremely corrupt and rotten society, in which there is voracious consumerism and all kinds of discriminations encouraged by megacorporations that are only interested in their own benefit and control. To show that despite the fact that a lot of progress has been made in terms technology, there has been even more backwardness in other issues. The future does not mean getting better for the mere fact of being the future. As Mike Pondsmith said, "Cyberpunk is a warning, not an aspiration."

I think you are right, but, at the risk of getting codex-mobbed, I think Witcher 3 was the same in that regard. At least to the point I played, except for Ciri because she is the daughter figure of course. So, maybe there's a CDProject element, I wouldn't be surprised.

Although I'm not very into cyberpunk, I really love Ghost in the Shell tv series and there also you have a lot "sexualization" and sex market (the sex droids, etc...), but you also have Motoko Kusanagi who is the *best woman everTM*. Sometimes contrast works great like that, but of course you need characters like those or it ends up feeling like it was written by a horny 13y/o boy.
 

ChildInTime

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I wonder what heads of CDPR were thinking ? I mean they already delayed game twice. They knew perfectly well about those bugs. Pushing it to say april and iron out 99% of those bugs would spare them troubles they are in now.

When Kingdom Come released buggy and people were saying "you should've taken a few more months", Vavra clearly said that's a fallacy. At some point your Q&A reaches a limit of what they can discover. Only when you turn the game over to the rest of the world and millions of people start to play you'll start finding all the cracks and holes your 100 people strong Q&A didn't see or couldn't replicate.

Yeah, at some point devs just use players as free testers.

Sorry for everyone who suffered through the the first builds of my horrible porn games.
Your porn version of cyberpunk is pretty good though.

I dunno if that's sarcasm but I'll take praise where I can. I try hard at my shitty games.
No, not sarcasm, I have it installed on steam right now, played this weekend. I like it, especially the writing, which is not something I expected from an rpgmaker porn game.
 

mondblut

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there would be sexism, racism and other types of discrimination. So the fact that there are many more sexualized women in commercials or in the form of prostitutes in the game fits the setting and theme after all. In the same way there will be racism, for example, the inhabitants of Night city rejecting those of the outer desert. I understand that if you are a woman or if you are someone who likes men, you can raise an eyebrow when you see that practically all sexual content is aimed at a male and heterosexual audience (And with money) ... but I think that is the goal.

The way you describe it, it's pretty utopian compared to 2020. Sexual content aimed at a male and heterosexual audience and no scolds throwing a tantrum in the vicinity?
 

mondblut

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That's not correct. It's not that all people experience same bugs. Bugs arise mostly from weird interactions between hardware components and/or between the game itself and other software. It's physically impossible to test the game in all possible hardware and software configurations. To give an example: your operating system 'translates' the game code into machine code and passes it to harware componens to execute. But every version of OS does it a bit differently and every hardware component interprets the machine code also a bit differently. Then add to the mix also exchanges between hardware, all passed through hardware and software channels. This growths into mindboggling number of possible variants.

So it works flawlessly on PS and Xbox who have one and only hardware combination, huh?
 

Koolz

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjzCu1rpvew

He speaks about the bugs at the end. Over all he is quite Awed by it all. 35 hours is rather short though.

I remember a year ago when I talk to the Director of Music for the game. That was from the first demo.

She said were going balls to the wall here and I said you sound flat. They obviously fixed all that, still a little flat.
 

racofer

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Ezeekiel

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I wonder what heads of CDPR were thinking ? I mean they already delayed game twice. They knew perfectly well about those bugs. Pushing it to say april and iron out 99% of those bugs would spare them troubles they are in now.

When Kingdom Come released buggy and people were saying "you should've taken a few more months", Vavra clearly said that's a fallacy. At some point your Q&A reaches a limit of what they can discover. Only when you turn the game over to the rest of the world and millions of people start to play you'll start finding all the cracks and holes your 100 people strong Q&A didn't see or couldn't replicate.

Yeah, at some point devs just use players as free testers.

Sorry for everyone who suffered through the the first builds of my horrible porn games.
Your porn version of cyberpunk is pretty good though.

I dunno if that's sarcasm but I'll take praise where I can. I try hard at my shitty games.
No, not sarcasm, I have it installed on steam right now, played this weekend. I like it, especially the writing, which is not something I expected from an rpgmaker porn game.

Yeah, it has a lot of obvious weaknesses right now (simplistic combat, annoying char gen menu crap, art style inconsistencies, sprite sex too pixelated etc), but I was actually pulled into the main conflict. Not a bad idea at all, and I hope to see more content soon.

What I'm trying to say is, Tyranicon ignore childporn2077 and get back to the crunch!
 

Derringer

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Although I'm not very into cyberpunk, I really love Ghost in the Shell tv series and there also you have a lot "sexualization" and sex market (the sex droids, etc...), but you also have Motoko Kusanagi who is the *best woman everTM*. Sometimes contrast works great like that, but of course you need characters like those or it ends up feeling like it was written by a horny 13y/o boy.
GitS was entertaining enough when Oshii directed the movies.
 
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Derringer

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Are they trying to call Californians faggots or something? Because Poland is in Central Europe.
 

pomenitul

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In my view the key dichotomy of the Cyberpunk genre has always been the contrast between a very technologically advanced society vs a putrid society in terms of principles and morality. In such society, no matter how much it was in a dystopian future, there would be sexism, racism and other types of discrimination. So the fact that there are many more sexualized women in commercials or in the form of prostitutes in the game fits the setting and theme after all. In the same way there will be racism, for example, the inhabitants of Night city rejecting those of the outer desert. I understand that if you are a woman or if you are someone who likes men, you can raise an eyebrow when you see that practically all sexual content is aimed at a male and heterosexual audience (And with money) ... but I think that is the goal. Showing an extremely corrupt and rotten society, in which there is voracious consumerism and all kinds of discriminations encouraged by megacorporations that are only interested in their own benefit and control. To show that despite the fact that a lot of progress has been made in terms technology, there has been even more backwardness in other issues. The future does not mean getting better for the mere fact of being the future. As Mike Pondsmith said, "Cyberpunk is a warning, not an aspiration."

Yes. What we're about to witness is a replay of the Blade Runner 2049 nontroversy.
 

Tyranicon

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I wonder what heads of CDPR were thinking ? I mean they already delayed game twice. They knew perfectly well about those bugs. Pushing it to say april and iron out 99% of those bugs would spare them troubles they are in now.

When Kingdom Come released buggy and people were saying "you should've taken a few more months", Vavra clearly said that's a fallacy. At some point your Q&A reaches a limit of what they can discover. Only when you turn the game over to the rest of the world and millions of people start to play you'll start finding all the cracks and holes your 100 people strong Q&A didn't see or couldn't replicate.

Yeah, at some point devs just use players as free testers.

Sorry for everyone who suffered through the the first builds of my horrible porn games.
Your porn version of cyberpunk is pretty good though.

I dunno if that's sarcasm but I'll take praise where I can. I try hard at my shitty games.
No, not sarcasm, I have it installed on steam right now, played this weekend. I like it, especially the writing, which is not something I expected from an rpgmaker porn game.

Yeah, it has a lot of obvious weaknesses right now (simplistic combat, annoying char gen menu crap, art style inconsistencies, sprite sex too pixelated etc), but I was actually pulled into the main conflict. Not a bad idea at all, and I hope to see more content soon.

I thought you were talking about CP2077 and got really confused for a second lol.

Oh fuck I have the exact same weaknesses as CP2077, but without the budget and talent.
 

The Jester

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-listen guys we need to make the game progressive as possible for that SJW Activist Scores
-But how do we do that, boss?
-I don't fucking know...just put dildos everywhere, I heard they like dildos.
 

Saerain

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Makes me wonder how much of the clutter is manually placed versus some dispassionate clutter brush. Or very passionate in this case.

make the game progressive as possible for that SJW Activist Scores
Kek. No, they'll drum it up as phallocentric capitalist masco-normalized slander of hyper-valid sexual expression or whatever. Literally simulated sexual assault. While the "trads" huff about degeneracy. Both cancers together in harmony.

One of the things I've really enjoyed watching this game in development, honestly.
 
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