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Dragonlance Lawsuit dropped without prejudice, DL authors excited say announcement coming

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Dragonlance Lawsuit dropped without prejudice, DL authors excited say announcement coming within the next few weeks. Pretty sure given the backlash and PR disaster and that WotC was guilty as fuck, WotC backed down. That means there are new Dragonlance novels coming. Maybe a Dragonlance Campaign Setting Book too.
 
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You can edit posts after submitting though. Should be a edit button to the right of your forum avatar at the top of the post.

Still skeptical of new dragonlance stuff yet but we'll see.
 

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What's the background on this? I'm too lazy to read up on it, can someone give a short summary?
 

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What's the background on this? I'm too lazy to read up on it, can someone give a short summary?

Hickman and Weiss had a deal for new dragonlance books. They had them done but Wotc refused to authorize and fallow through their commitments no matter the changes the authors made on their request. Lawsuit suggested they were worried they'd offend people as Dragonlance has stronger connections to alignment then some settings (other than planescape) and has "problematic" material like Gully Dwarfs apparently.

Cue the people online coming out of the woodwork to say this is a good thing and Dragonlance is offensive and fans of the series defending it against that nonsense.

Now it seems lawsuit is dropped without prejudice so they could re-do the lawsuit if they need to but they may have reconciled with wotc and we'll get the new dragonlance novels or ttrpg books.

Last comment by Weiss is "exciting news in the coming weeks" or some such.
 

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"problematic" material like Gully Dwarfs
Googled it.

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Clicked on link.

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The fuck is wrong with these people? Ok, explain why it's "problematic" in their "opinion".
 

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You can edit posts after submitting though. Should be a edit button to the right of your forum avatar at the top of the post.

Still skeptical of new dragonlance stuff yet but we'll see.

I changed body of the post, but I couldn't see anyway to change title.
 

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What's the background on this? I'm too lazy to read up on it, can someone give a short summary?

Hickman and Weiss had a deal for new dragonlance books. They had them done but Wotc refused to authorize and fallow through their commitments no matter the changes the authors made on their request. Lawsuit suggested they were worried they'd offend people as Dragonlance has stronger connections to alignment then some settings (other than planescape) and has "problematic" material like Gully Dwarfs apparently.

Cue the people online coming out of the woodwork to say this is a good thing and Dragonlance is offensive and fans of the series defending it against that nonsense.

Now it seems lawsuit is dropped without prejudice so they could re-do the lawsuit if they need to but they may have reconciled with wotc and we'll get the new dragonlance novels or ttrpg books.

Last comment by Weiss is "exciting news in the coming weeks" or some such.

Well we know a couple of DL novels have already been written, so that's a safe bet, and if they do the novels, they will eventually do a 5e campaign setting book to go with it.
 

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Googled it.
Gully Dwarves are the retarded inbred cousins of regular dwarves (literally!), who are literal retards too dumb to live for all purposes. Everyone considers them embarrassing and they're used for cheap laughs.
Meanwhile, kenders are halflings sociopaths who steal from everyone and get mad when people call them out. Worse, they're considered cute and child-like creatures to be protected in the main novels (in the spin-offs, many dead kender jokes are made).

See this: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Kender

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I hoped the lawsuit went through and killed Wizards of the Coast already so that they stop raping DnD.
 

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I had never even heard of Gully Dwarves before reading this thread. But I'm sure they play a major role in the Dragonlance canon.

They kinda did if only to show Raistlin sympathetic side. Here's some guy defending the existance of the gully dwarfs.

I would argue that, at least so far as the original novels, the Gully Dwarves existed to make a point-- specifically, everybody looks down on them. They get treated like burdens and living trash... except by Raistlin. The resident asshole of the group, who at first glance seems to be on an edgy quest for power-- the unexpected tolerance and empathy Raistlin shows them really humanizes his character. He sees how other people treat them, it resonates with what he went through before learning magic, and those interactions reveal that beneath his demeanor Raistlin is strikingly human and even a little vulnerable at his core.

You're definitely meant to feel like "the way they get treated really isn't fair". Because that's the whole point-- Raistlin, of all characters, feels that exact same way in a world that doesn't really tolerate these smelly, dim-witted creatures. And through that, you start to empathize with and start to understand Raistlin beyond his quest for power, and why he pursues it so single-mindedly.
 

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I had never even heard of Gully Dwarves before reading this thread. But I'm sure they play a major role in the Dragonlance canon.

They kinda did if only to show Raistlin sympathetic side. Here's some guy defending the existance of the gully dwarfs.

Oh yea, Bupu was a Gully Dwarf. Well, it has been 20 years so my memories are a bit hazy.
 
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"The stupidity of gully dwarves is legendary. To a gully dwarf, any number greater than one is “two”, which simply means “more than one”. In spite of their dull minds, gully dwarves take themselves quite seriously. They tend to have inflated ideas of their own importance, and puncturing their egos is almost impossible."

Lmao was this written by Varg Vikernes
 

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You know, some of the characters in the Dragonlance novels wouldn't be feel out of place in a Larian game, due how bad and cringe they were. For example: Any kender, the god of justice called Paladine and his horrible parody of Gandalf as a "human disguise", most gnome inventors, etc.
I wonder if the Larian writers read some of these books.
 

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Defendant is probably WotC. This sentence is legalese for "a twitter mob wanted to burn the company to the ground because most people working there aren't black or troons". The rest of the paragraph states that Wizards didn't want to publish another Dragonlance novel because they were afraid of said twitter mob.
 

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When you start bending to the mob, stuff like this happens and it will spiral out of control. Unfortunately, Wizards is not a learning animal and they'll probably continue to pander. Wouldn't be surprised if something similar happens again within the next 24 months. If I were a major investor or shareholder, I'd bail ASAP.
 

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