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CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread
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Turjan
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Oh, you don't even need that chip. Just make sure that you don't apply a second lethal blow after you downed your target. Yes, it's that anti-climactic.
Correct_Carlo
Arcane
It depends on the weapon. If you use blades you can cut people's heads and arms off. I also think headshots will fatally kill most people, if it's the killing blow. I agree, though, that many people end up on the floor not dead, even if you shoot them 100 times.
Whatever is a "kangz", yeah sure ok
Turjan
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I specifically meant the cyberpsychos. The last one, I downed with a sniper rifle after a longer fight, and the damage said something like 17,000 (was from relatively close). He still lived.
I can see the point with bladed weapons, although there, the blunt types seem to do more damage on average, anyway.
KK1001
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I agree with what a lot of people have said, but I still think the number 1 impediment to fun in this game is the lackluster combat AI. Modders will make this a substantially better game.
Fixed combat AI + actually hand crafted cyberpsycho behavior would really go a long, long way towards making the game good. I want more enemy variety, but what's in the game is already broken so that's probably a bridge too far.
Fixed combat AI + actually hand crafted cyberpsycho behavior would really go a long, long way towards making the game good. I want more enemy variety, but what's in the game is already broken so that's probably a bridge too far.
Zer0wing
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Mafia 1 is released in 2002
Different tiers of pigs don't make them much smarter in GTA3, they all have the same arcadey vehicle AI that kamikazes into you, which is easy to trick into bumping each other, fly into space, the usual GTA stuff. Only federals have heavier metal in their disposal. Also, I don't recall them using guns at all.
Yeah. I mean every game gets features cut as they develop it, so they can get it out the door. That's happening right now with Bloodlines 2, since the original team wasn't finishing it they hired an Ubisoft guy to come in and cut stuff to get the thing released. I don't think that's abnormal or even bad necessarily, as long as the end product still feels like a good and complete game. The problem with Cyberpunk is, of course, that it doesn't quite come together as a finished product. It feels like a game that was cut down from the original lofty ambitions it had so it could actually come out in 2020, it's too obvious and detrimental to the experience. You have to make those cuts and tie all the knots without the consumer feeling like something's missing, and they failed to do that.
I say this as someone who actually quite enjoys the game, because I love the setting and I love Deus Ex stealthy infiltration style gameplay. The game truly excels at both those things, IMO. It just fails at a bunch of stuff around them, and people (rightly) expected way more.
wyes gull
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Anyone find any missions that aren't named after songs? I thought they all were supposed to be until I ran across a gig called "Bring me the head of Gustavo Orta", a twist on Peckinpah's "Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia". Disappointing gig, too. Self-aware rip off of Romeo & Juliet where you can only go in and remove Capulet. Or was it the other one? Whatever.
MadMaxHellfire
Arcane
asking for a sequel to "no man's sky" and expecting a videogame is "having high expectations". expectations for cp77 were just in line with promises.
Heroic Liberator
Arcane
And for the record around 60 hours and I have been hoovering up every item I see and done a decent amount of crafting, my save file is just over 5mb. Its impossible people were hitting 8mb playing normally, 100% convinced they were doing crafting exploits.
Also think I have just about sucked all the fun I can out of the game, there is not much left to do, no point upgrading or buying equipment now as the game is just not challenging enough, I have a plethora of missions left but they are all blurring together. Clearing bandit outposts is just horribly repetitive. I could buy more cars, but whats the point, I already have half a dozen that cover everything I need. Pretty much seen everything of interest in the city which has really been the main attraction. And doing a second playthrough? No fucking way, maybe after a few big DLC and an complete overhaul mod.
Never played GTA or RDR Online so I fail to see what 'end game' content they would have to keep people playing. Is it PvP or something? I cannot imagine what they could do for Cyberpunk Online to actually make it interesting enough to keep 'grinding' on it.
Also think I have just about sucked all the fun I can out of the game, there is not much left to do, no point upgrading or buying equipment now as the game is just not challenging enough, I have a plethora of missions left but they are all blurring together. Clearing bandit outposts is just horribly repetitive. I could buy more cars, but whats the point, I already have half a dozen that cover everything I need. Pretty much seen everything of interest in the city which has really been the main attraction. And doing a second playthrough? No fucking way, maybe after a few big DLC and an complete overhaul mod.
Never played GTA or RDR Online so I fail to see what 'end game' content they would have to keep people playing. Is it PvP or something? I cannot imagine what they could do for Cyberpunk Online to actually make it interesting enough to keep 'grinding' on it.
GrafvonMoltke
Shoutbox Purity League
Is that at the Arasaka Estate? I just wandered in there by chance and thought to myself “why the fuck is no-one shooting me?”.
The blue police icon missions are almost all lame and pointless. I enjoy most of the "real" missions though, i.e. the yellow markers that aren't cars or fights. Like I said above though, I'm a massive slut for stealthy infiltration. Vast majority of the yellow "gigs" have a unique location with multiple entry points and avenues to the objective, along with some ambient dialog if not real dialog interaction. Yes it is obviously lacking in the story department for most of these side missions, but I like the basic fundamentals enough to enjoy them. The blue ones though, fuck that.
The grind is there for people who enjoy it, really. Most of these checklist games, your GTAs and your Assassin's Creeds, can be completed while ignoring over half the game. Usually they're better off for doing so. Some people just want to play these games forever though, I feel like they use it as a stress ball basically, but wtf do I know. Cyberpunk might actually be the first game ever where I feel some of that drive, just because I love the setting so much and enjoy stealthy infiltration so much, but still... collect the cars, beat the street fights, do all the police missions? Again, fuck that. I might do all them yellows though.
Correct_Carlo
Arcane
I don't know about that. Regina specifically complained to me that I killed a couple of them when I finished the mission, even though I never did a kill shot on them after they fell. I think it depends on what weapon you are using and where specifically on their body the killshot is, but this game is so buggy, it's hard to tell what are real mechanics and what aren't. I've had people I used non-lethal stealth take downs on just randomly start pooling blood on the ground a few minutes later. And the game doesn't seem to have any indicator, like Deus Ex does, for whether bodies are dead or alive beyond that the alive ones tend to move slightly, but not always.
That was me. One other big problem that emerges in CP77's presentation is that they made dialogue in this free form, instead of scripting it with different camera angles as in Witcher 3. I remember the developers gushing over this decision like it's the most innovative, most unique, and most immersive feature in the history of game development. It sounded like trash and "let's save ourselves some work" from the beginning.
What was described was "the player is always in full control of the character" which we know went out the window. What was described was "NPCs will have a reaction if you cut the conversation in the middle of dialogue and leave", "You can pull out a weapon in any moment". None of this actually matters. What stays though is the amount of scripting work and camera placement, which the developers were saved from having to do, like they had to do in Witcher 3 which prompted them to develop a tool to partially automate it because it was so much work.
The tradeoff to all those non-existent advantages of first person dialogue which nevertheless has to be paid is that the player becomes essentially blind to one major channel for the characterisation of the main character - you can't watch your character's acting and gestures. Instead everything falls on the voice actor. First person in conversations was a bad decision, sold to players under the pretext of more immersion but really resulting in less characterisation, and that for a blank slate main character who desperately needs means of characterisation.
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They are, but you lose more than you gain from having them, as far as the player is concerned. Ofc the dev would prefer less work.
If the protagonist is silent, it isn't really a "dialogue". That's a useless gimmick and a compromise which grogs glorify as something cool just because it is an old approach.
Heroic Liberator
Arcane
It makes a big difference given a preallocated budget for voice acting, since instead of voicing the protag (which can be immersion breaking anyway in the case of blank slate protagonists) you can instead afford to have more lines for the NPCs and thus more reactivity.
And even when there's no extra reactivity, it can still contribute to immersion since you can be given more 'flavors of speech' which serve to shape your character's personality (imho this was a strength of Dragon Age Origins).
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another like very blatant example of this are the 4 IQ runs in like fallout and arcanum
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