Star Wars Why I fell out of love with KOTOR

[ERYFKRAD]

Pretty much.

 

[Risewild]

I've been lurking in my thread and others for a few weeks now just to get a feel for this place. I definitely expected the TL;DR responses but I didn't really expect all the rest. Is it normal here for people to go on weird basically off topic shitflinging duels? Or to just completely ignore what's in the OP and drop your own opinion about the topic?

Yes, it's normal.

Welcome to the Codex.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

just completely ignore what's in the OP

The stuff in OP is generally accepted fact (KOTOR's strength if any lies in it's seasoning, not the meat/potato) and posters gonna post so there you go.
Post pics of Bastilla body pillow.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I like kotor

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Kreia is a conservative

lol what

 

[DalekFlay]

lol what

"Are you really helping that person by handing them something, teach a man to fish instead" is a conservative principle, last I checked. Half her rants are about such things.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

lol what

"Are you really helping that person by handing them something, teach a man to fish instead" is a conservative principle, last I checked. Half her rants are about such things.

Her entire philosophy is about throwing away tradition.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

lol what

"Are you really helping that person by handing them something, teach a man to fish instead" is a conservative principle, last I checked. Half her rants are about such things.

If you don't help the man she is also unhappy and belittles you for being cruel.

 

[Harry Easter]

If you don't help the man she is also unhappy and belittles you for being cruel.

She's never satisfied, no matter what you do ... like any real mother.

 

[Nano]

If you don't help the man she is also unhappy and belittles you for being cruel.

Tried an evil playthrough once and she wasn't nearly as approving as I thought she might be. Bitch really just complains about everything.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

If you don't help the man she is also unhappy and belittles you for being cruel.

Tried an evil playthrough once and she wasn't nearly as approving as I thought she might be. Bitch really just complains about everything.

Her being your counterbalance is entirely within character though.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Bitch really just complains about everything.

She's merely being a contrarian because she's old and cranky.

 

[Nano]

Her being your counterbalance is entirely within character though.

Doesn't make her any less of an annoying bitch.

 

[Harry Easter]

She's merely being a contrarian because she's old and cranky.

Now I imagine her being like this, since she went to kindergarden.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

She's merely being a contrarian because she's old and cranky.

Now I imagine her being like this, since she went to kindergarden.

Guess the cranky is congenital.

 

[Harry Easter]

Guess the cranky is ccongenital.

Probably. She always gave me some "angry german grandma from bavaria" - vibes. Space German complaining is a thing now!

 

[DalekFlay]

If you don't help the man she is also unhappy and belittles you for being cruel.

Well this just further cements my opinion that she's an insanely over-hyped character then.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

If you don't help the man she is also unhappy and belittles you for being cruel.

Well this just further cements my opinion that she's an insanely over-hyped character then.

He has a kinda Socratic approach in her teaching. You know ,challenging people for the sole sake of philosophical inquiry.

I think she is more interested in why people do things they do and what the consequences are rather than if what they believe is true.

 

[Shadenuat]

I think she needs another editing pass and like whole game suffers from messed production - Atris was supposed to be main villain, but they changed it, and it shows in the flow of dialogue. There was even a redemption ark in game for Kreia, unused.
The dialogue where you can only be either goody or dumbevil is crap regardless of any subversion, and so is bluered meter. My guess that mca could have been cynical enough to force player into this choice to then belittle them and make a comment on bad dual good/evil choices in dialogues in such a way, including kotor1; but that approach is too cynical and takes away players freedom to make choices and I don't like it.

 

[JDR13]

I've never understood the love for KotOR to begin with. Take away the Star Wars trappings and it's an average game at best. Compared to Bioware's earlier stuff, it's undeniable decline.

The biggest problem is that it was designed around the hardware limitations of the original Xbox. Those limitations permeate every aspect of its design outside of the writing.

 

[DalekFlay]

He has a kinda Socratic approach in her teaching. You know ,challenging people for the sole sake of philosophical inquiry.

I think she is more interested in why people do things they do and what the consequences are rather than if what they believe is true.

I guess my reaction there was because challenging the player no matter what seems more simplistic than I expected. I'm not saying she's written poorly at all though. She's written very well, and your explanation is a good one. People just act like she's written so amazingly well it's worth playing an otherwise mediocre game for, and I don't think that's true.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

He has a kinda Socratic approach in her teaching. You know ,challenging people for the sole sake of philosophical inquiry.

I think she is more interested in why people do things they do and what the consequences are rather than if what they believe is true.

I guess my reaction there was because challenging the player no matter what seems more simplistic than I expected. I'm not saying she's written poorly at all though. She's written very well, and your explanation is a good one. People just act like she's written so amazingly well it's worth playing an otherwise mediocre game for, and I don't think that's true.

I think that arguing if something is merely very good or amazing is meaningless, we are really far into field of subjectivity here. Using simplistic tactics like challenging player no matter what is not a problem in itself. Every good story consist of many simplistic elements that are just executed well.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I've never understood the love for KotOR to begin with. Take away the Star Wars trappings and it's an average game at best. Compared to Bioware's earlier stuff, it's undeniable decline.

The biggest problem is that it was designed around the hardware limitations of the original Xbox. Those limitations permeate every aspect of its design outside of the writing.

star wars RPG naturally lends itself to having a lot of C&C by having to support both light side and dark side approaches
avellone's influence on KOTOR2(his hatred of a strict light side/dark side split, favor of a gray jedi) was good too, and it heavily influenced SWTOR writing e.g., one of the most highly rated class stories is the light-side sith warrior who is more like an honorable duty-bound knight or samurai

 

[Commissar Draco]

Yes the Jade Empire is more fun KOTOR game than Kotor is, more interesting setting, story, some karate and two hot waifus to romance, lost any interest in Star Wars after prequels really it always was a space opera for Kwan children with only very few things like Thrawn and Chiss or Fell Empire rearmament being above this carthoonish eighties Reagan rebels good empire bad morality. And now they scrapped legends and replaced it with utter poz, frack this game and setting, even Mandalore is now that great its just bit better than sequels are.

 

[laclongquan]

IF somebody could mod her face and her body into hotness then it would be fun to see how gamers' perception of her change~