Let's settle this once and for all: Fallout 2 or Underrail?

[Ol' Willy]

In Underrail it doesn't make sense that your character would go into countless dangerous situations just because Tanner might pay you some money or because you want to figure it out.

True at the first glance, although if you pay attention you may notice that Tanner uses some kind of NLP to manipulate your character to do his bidding. He's extraterrestrial, after all.

Ezra, Dude, Gorsky, Yngwar, Ferryman, Todd, Professor Oldfield, Briggs, Ladelman and Marcus, Seeger scattered throughout the game.

Literally all of them, except Ezra and Gorsky, are from Expedition (Dude's quest originally was quite short, or so). Vanilla Underrail loses this one clearly. Why it's important? Expedition came out four years after the game while Fallout had no expansions or such.

In particular, craftable shields are literally several times stronger than any that can be looted which is just odd.

It's done in the name of balance, so investing in crafting will give you edge compared to non-crafting char. Non-crafting run is one of the most toughest in Underrail.

 

[Doktor Best]

Lilura was right again, lmao.

Speaking of yourself in the third person AND laughing by yourself, uh?

Probably forgot to log into one of his self appraisal alts.

 

[Ismaul]

Lilura was right again, lmao.

Speaking of yourself in the third person AND laughing by yourself, uh?

Probably forgot to log into one of his self appraisal alts.

Why would I ever need to use alts? I don't care what retards like you think, my blog is read by thousands of people every day.

You're trash, pure and simple.

Mods DELET THIS

 

[Sweeper]

8.) Characters
Fallout probably has the best characters, but looking at the characterisation of lesser figures, I think Underrail actually wins on this one. There are a lot of 'moderately characterised' figures like Ezra, Dude, Gorsky, Yngwar, Ferryman, Todd, Professor Oldfield, Briggs, Ladelman and Marcus, Seeger scattered throughout the game. Lots of little things, like Mordre being unwilling to accept a gift of hopper meat and demanding that he pay you for it with a stimpack, one of the ferrymen having a pirate persona, one of the Tchortist guards being mortified if you ask for a key from him but have already pickpocketed it. Also there's a lot of dialogue options where you can be autistically literal and make the NPCs facepalm.
Maybe I just don't remember enough Fallout writing but i think most of it's concentrated on a handful of characters.

I wrote a super long autism post, but decided to shorten it to just this because Underrail does have interesting characters, lore as well, but it's hidden behind stat checks and tucked away in hidden places and actions you hadn't even considered, and I wouldn't say it can really stand up to Fallout either way. The plot also really sucks. But some of the characters are interesting and memorable. And at least for me personally, a big reason is the language they use. From the weird mish mash of various Southern Slavic dialects (that even I don't understand) to the Icelandic Viking runes of Expedition and even everyone being either a pipeworker or hardcore in Core City,

Let me segway here with my autism a bit. You're building a world and the only limit is your imagination, and what is Obsidian's response to that in Pillars of Eternity (linguistically that is)?

Lets throw in bits of Italian and fucking Polynesian. They're weird and exotic right?

Mix it up a bit you fucking faggots. The n'wahs of Morrowind and pipeworkers of Underrail by comparison seem fucking Tolkienesque. When Tolkien wrote his autism books he didn't fucking just borrow and slightly modify a language. He went all out. He CREATED languages. LANGUAGES! FUCKING PLURAL!
So we need more fictional languages in games for worldbuilding. Half the reason Underrail's characters are memorable is because of the language they use.

And Italian and Polynesian aren't the (only) reason why Pillar of Decline's and Trashfire's worldbuilding didn't work, but that's a discussion for another time.

 

[Ol' Willy]

So we need more fictional languages in games for worldbuilding. Half the reason Underrail's characters are memorable is because of the language they use.

Underrail has: regular English, aye English, quasi-Slavic, quasi-Nordic and Core-city slang. Oh, and also annoying Hexagon slang which Seeger uses and that would be featured in Infusion, I reckon. Quite impressive for a wordlbuilding.

 

[Darth Canoli]

So we need more fictional languages in games for worldbuilding. Half the reason Underrail's characters are memorable is because of the language they use.

No we don't.
And "thanks" to Star Trek Discovery, nobody is going to speak Klingon anymore, that's something.

 

[Risewild]

Fallout 2 for me.

While I enjoy combat, I also prefer having combat and still have other interactions with my character. I need a world that can be interacted with besides using it for combat.

Also, we can now play Fallout 1 in Fallout 2's engine. So Fallout 2 allows to play Fallout 1 in a more polished engine... Total win.

 

[Varnaan]

Underrail is a better game mechanically but Fallout 2 has the edge as a superior RPG so I voted Joe Pesci.

 

[Sykar]

Both.

 

[Sykar]

FO2 has more varied gameplay.

Pardon me?

 

[Butter]

FO2 has more varied gameplay.

Pardon me?

I pardon thee.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

Lol, stupid poll. Fallout 2 is one of the better RPGs of all time, especially for its time. Underrail is an impressive effort for a small indie, but as an RPG, it's decent at best, nothing more.

 

[Yaz]

Fallout 2 is worse than Fallout. At least do Fallout to Underrail comparison.

But even so - those are two very different takes on building a game. Would rather have both around.

 

[Cat Dude]

Fallout 2. I didn't spend enough time in my mom's basement to appreciate the complexity of rpg mechanics in Underrail.

 

[luj1]

Fallout 2 is better in art direction, writing, story, lore, atmosphere and overall design, it's more elegant

Underrail has deeper ruleset, the core systems are bigger, there is more stuff to do, combat is more developed. I don't know if it's more fun, but probably fun for longer periods of time?

But Underrail had 20 years of technology and game development history to learn from. I'd also rather compare Underrail to Arcanum than Fallout.

 

[luj1]

Fallout

Underrail

To me this is a valid analogy. Fallout is like an old timer which can go 30 km/h, but you enjoy every moment of it. Underrail is like a middle-low class looking modern car, which can go 140 km/h, and you could probably do more fun stuff with it.

 

[fantadomat]

LoL butthurt faggot,i am surprsied that you are still here. It is time to play the violin on those nice veins of yours,make space for better men

 

[Ol' Willy]

I'd also rather compare Underrail to Arcanum than Fallout.

These games have a lot of similarities, but the comparison would be very lopsided. Underrail blows out Arcanum with its combat system, which is similar, but more balanced and fleshed up; Arcanum blows out Underrail with its writing, interactivity and characters.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

Underrail is an impressive effort for a small indie, but as an RPG, it's decent at best, nothing more.

tell me another one

 

[Sykar]

The fact that Underrail isn't completely curbstomped in a poll against a classic crpg says a lot.

That the codex has shit taste?

 

[Ol' Willy]

Since there's no dedicated Fallout 2 thread around, here's [somewhat] new art from Red888Guns

 

[The Jester]

Since there's no dedicated Fallout 2 thread around, here's [somewhat] new art from Red888Guns

Higher quality

Spoiler

We will never see a Fallout game with hand drawn background.

 

[Parsimonious cook]

Fallout is simply fun and easy to get into. Underrail is something that people pretend to like to look "cool" in certain circles.

 

[Daedalos]

Fallout 2 obviously. It's got a better story, better worldbuilding ,universe, C&C.

It's hard to top fallout 1+2 in terms of storytelling and overall feel.

Underrail is a great game tho.