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Yet another comparion video.

Mac Walters @macwalterslives
We’ve have been in touch with a few in the modding community to learn how best to A. update everyone on changes that will impact existing mods, and B. set the modding community up for success going forward. It’s ongoing, and we’ll discuss in more detail by launch.

So in fact they are gonna lift existing mods as their own work :P
 

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Sigh...

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Man I fuckin miss the Bioware forums. Degeneracy and all. It was always a good laugh, but wasn't the same when the obnoxious teenage shippers started coming in force after DA came out. I realise some of them were there since BG but not at the levels they were after DA.


Bioware Social lives!

https://bsn.boards.net
 

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Yet another comparion video.

Mac Walters @macwalterslives
We’ve have been in touch with a few in the modding community to learn how best to A. update everyone on changes that will impact existing mods, and B. set the modding community up for success going forward. It’s ongoing, and we’ll discuss in more detail by launch.

So in fact they are gonna lift existing mods as their own work :P

Every single shot from the original games look better :lol:
 

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Yet another comparion video.

Mac Walters @macwalterslives
We’ve have been in touch with a few in the modding community to learn how best to A. update everyone on changes that will impact existing mods, and B. set the modding community up for success going forward. It’s ongoing, and we’ll discuss in more detail by launch.

So in fact they are gonna lift existing mods as their own work :P

Every single shot from the original games look better :lol:



The funny thing is that I am in touch with people that made the biggest ME Mods.

From MEUITM, ALOT/ALOV, Expanded Galaxy, Spectre Mod, Ark Mod etc.
And nobody knows what is he talking about. They also confirmed that other modders from things like MERecalibrated weren't conctaced either.
So everyone is pissed over there :P
 

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https://www.gameinformer.com/mod-co...tion-means-for-current-pc-mods-and-their-role

What Mass Effect Legendary Edition Means For Current PC Mods And Their Role In The Remaster
LIANA RUPPERT FEBRUARY 04, 2021The Mass Effect trilogy is iconic for its ability to make the player genuinely care about the squadmates, the story, and what happens after. The PC version offered a plethora of incredible mods expanding upon that universe for those looking for additional reasons to dive in for another playthrough, as well as other mods that were designed to give fans the happily ever after that they wanted. With the Mass Effect Legendary edition consolidating the trilogy — and its DLC — into one experience, what does that mean for the existing mods? More specifically, what does it mean for the bigger overhaul mods that were years in development?

How modders and the community helped
We spoke with game director Mac Walters to talk about the effect that the modding community had on the game, both in terms of what to tweak for the remaster, and what players were looking forward to the most.

Before diving into how mods are impacted going forward with the remaster, Walters wanted to lay down some background information first to show how the process worked and how feedback played a part.

"This was a big project," said Walters. "We scoured through fan feedback and modding feedback for additional input that we could add to what we already had itemized. What are all of the things that our fans would have either tried to fix themselves or would want to be added."

Given that this is a remaster and not a remake, some of that larger-scale feedback couldn't be implemented without changing the core of the game too much, but Walters did add that digging in deep with the modding community helped "really push the creative bounds a little bit further."

Environment and level designer Kevin Meek took the conversation deeper, talking about the process of overpainting (which is where the remaster changes can be seen in the landscapes) and how the team wanted all involved to feel proud of their contributions. To understand the process means to understand how the modding community played a role, no matter how seemingly small: "In order to understand the conversation with modders, you have to understand the pipeline that we initially had to go through. So how we divided out the work largely, for the environment art passes, was to basically give our artists a sense of ownership over a level, especially with the paint overs seen in Mass Effect 1. We didn't want to just hand them a collection of assets like random crates and rocks or whatever and then tell them to just make them look pretty and then just mindlessly report back to me. I wanted them to feel like the level they were working on was their level."

He added, "Myself and Derek Watts, who was the original art director on the trilogy, would review each level and we would provide feedback to figure out where do things still need to go. Then the artists would do a second pass and eventually, the levels would reach where we wanted them to be. In order to do that, we had to basically 'timebox' it like 'How good can you make this level within a certain amount of time, within days or weeks?'"

The process would repeat over and over again until the textures were just right and any cohesion wanted was achieved. Meek added that doing this level of design was "kind of like a small brush" where even the smallest detail mattered. From a rock with the right lighting to water levels, even camera placement was vital when making sure the bigger picture came together. Where modders came into play with feedback, and community feedback in general, specifically mattered when looking at what changes are desired to make the experience more realistic without changing the feel of each location.

Seeing those small changes add up was very apparent when looking at Eden Prime. Not only did the team add in the little crate areas from the third game to make the location from 1 and 3 look more alike, but they also added in a variety of texture changes to the terrain and lighting to make the experience feel more immersive. This is where the special effects came into play, especially when dealing with the lighting surrounding the Reaper and when in combat. Meek compared this process to taking a photograph and capturing that feeling from looking at something outside of yourself while still feeling like the experience is there. This was also a big reason why the additional backdrop and fire was added to the bridge in Noveria; those changes made the destruction there make more sense, more believable, but getting that feedback helped see what sort of changes were needed to make that happen.

When talking about mods specifically, Meek added "When looking for the more overlooked changes, we obviously looked at a lot of those mods that were pretty much doing the same thing as a remaster, especially with the popular texture mods. It's here that we sort of have this unfair advantage over modders. They are dealing with levels of compression, versus we get to start out with an uncompressed art source file. or us, we get to make those artistic choices while putting everything in context, and that's where we got to really start ramping up these passes for each level."

"For the most part, we've reached out to some people and have been talking to, ideally we've been trying to do is a) testing existing mods to see how things break or if they break and if they even do," added Walters. "At the very least, that process provided us our own insights. This helped us peel back the curtain a bit to see why something doesn't work the way it should and what can we do on our end to fix it."

What does the remaster mean for modders now?
Modding the first game is pretty straight forward but modding 2 and 3 usually requires several programs to use simultaneously, especially so for the more complicated changes. Knowing how intricate some of the cosmetic and overhaul mods were, I asked whether they simplified the modding process at all or if it's still as complicated.

Regarding whether or not new mods will follow the process of the first game or the third in terms of a more streamlined implementation, Walters mentioned that he "imagines" that the modding process will be more in line with how it is for Mass Effect 3, which is arguably the most complicated. "One of the things you might find is that because we have harmonized things across all three games, it's a little easier to find the consistency. For that, the easier mods that are focused more on already-there content will be a little easier, not so much with how the directory structure is set up."

Regarding the bigger mods like the Mass Effect 3 Happy Ending mod, there isn't a clear answer at this time. Walters did confirm that the team spoke with a few key members of the bigger modding community to learn exactly how the remaster changes will impact mods already in existence and how BioWare can set up modders "for success" from this moment forward. The studio will have a more clearly defined answer closer to launch on May 11.

Want even more info on the upcoming remaster? Be sure to check out our Mass Effect Legendary hub here for more exclusives with even more content on the way throughout the entire month, including how the elevator scenes are changing and why no Pinnacle Station DLC.

bigger overhaul mods that were years in development?

How modders and the community helped
We spoke with game director Mac Walters to talk about the effect that the modding community had on the game, both in terms of what to tweak for the remaster, and what players were looking forward to the most.

Before diving into how mods are impacted going forward with the remaster, Walters wanted to lay down some background information first to show how the process worked and how feedback played a part.

"This was a big project," said Walters. "We scoured through fan feedback and modding feedback for additional input that we could add to what we already had itemized. What are all of the things that our fans would have either tried to fix themselves or would want to be added."

Given that this is a remaster and not a remake, some of that larger-scale feedback couldn't be implemented without changing the core of the game too much, but Walters did add that digging in deep with the modding community helped "really push the creative bounds a little bit further."

Environment and level designer Kevin Meek took the conversation deeper, talking about the process of overpainting (which is where the remaster changes can be seen in the landscapes) and how the team wanted all involved to feel proud of their contributions. To understand the process means to understand how the modding community played a role, no matter how seemingly small: "In order to understand the conversation with modders, you have to understand the pipeline that we initially had to go through. So how we divided out the work largely, for the environment art passes, was to basically give our artists a sense of ownership over a level, especially with the paint overs seen in Mass Effect 1. We didn't want to just hand them a collection of assets like random crates and rocks or whatever and then tell them to just make them look pretty and then just mindlessly report back to me. I wanted them to feel like the level they were working on was their level."

He added, "Myself and Derek Watts, who was the original art director on the trilogy, would review each level and we would provide feedback to figure out where do things still need to go. Then the artists would do a second pass and eventually, the levels would reach where we wanted them to be. In order to do that, we had to basically 'timebox' it like 'How good can you make this level within a certain amount of time, within days or weeks?'"

The process would repeat over and over again until the textures were just right and any cohesion wanted was achieved. Meek added that doing this level of design was "kind of like a small brush" where even the smallest detail mattered. From a rock with the right lighting to water levels, even camera placement was vital when making sure the bigger picture came together. Where modders came into play with feedback, and community feedback in general, specifically mattered when looking at what changes are desired to make the experience more realistic without changing the feel of each location.

Seeing those small changes add up was very apparent when looking at Eden Prime. Not only did the team add in the little crate areas from the third game to make the location from 1 and 3 look more alike, but they also added in a variety of texture changes to the terrain and lighting to make the experience feel more immersive. This is where the special effects came into play, especially when dealing with the lighting surrounding the Reaper and when in combat. Meek compared this process to taking a photograph and capturing that feeling from looking at something outside of yourself while still feeling like the experience is there. This was also a big reason why the additional backdrop and fire was added to the bridge in Noveria; those changes made the destruction there make more sense, more believable, but getting that feedback helped see what sort of changes were needed to make that happen.

When talking about mods specifically, Meek added "When looking for the more overlooked changes, we obviously looked at a lot of those mods that were pretty much doing the same thing as a remaster, especially with the popular texture mods. It's here that we sort of have this unfair advantage over modders. They are dealing with levels of compression, versus we get to start out with an uncompressed art source file. or us, we get to make those artistic choices while putting everything in context, and that's where we got to really start ramping up these passes for each level."

"For the most part, we've reached out to some people and have been talking to, ideally we've been trying to do is a) testing existing mods to see how things break or if they break and if they even do," added Walters. "At the very least, that process provided us our own insights. This helped us peel back the curtain a bit to see why something doesn't work the way it should and what can we do on our end to fix it."

What does the remaster mean for modders now?
Modding the first game is pretty straight forward but modding 2 and 3 usually requires several programs to use simultaneously, especially so for the more complicated changes. Knowing how intricate some of the cosmetic and overhaul mods were, I asked whether they simplified the modding process at all or if it's still as complicated.

Regarding whether or not new mods will follow the process of the first game or the third in terms of a more streamlined implementation, Walters mentioned that he "imagines" that the modding process will be more in line with how it is for Mass Effect 3, which is arguably the most complicated. "One of the things you might find is that because we have harmonized things across all three games, it's a little easier to find the consistency. For that, the easier mods that are focused more on already-there content will be a little easier, not so much with how the directory structure is set up."

Regarding the bigger mods like the Mass Effect 3 Happy Ending mod, there isn't a clear answer at this time. Walters did confirm that the team spoke with a few key members of the bigger modding community to learn exactly how the remaster changes will impact mods already in existence and how BioWare can set up modders "for success" from this moment forward. The studio will have a more clearly defined answer closer to launch on May 11.

Want even more info on the upcoming remaster? Be sure to check out our Mass Effect Legendary hub here for more exclusives with even more content on the way throughout the entire month, including how the elevator scenes are changing and why no Pinnacle Station DLC.
 

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Yeah, female Shapard upskirt is maybe a bit on the tasteless side. Miranda's ass can stay though.

As for the changes, most of them are so minor I don't see the point. Sometimes I couldn't tell which is which in that video.
 

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Wait, they're remaking this crap? And not extensively re-writing the 2nd and 3rd games? Why in the name of fuck would you do that? Have people forgotten already? They're Star Wars sequels-tier when it came to writing and it's gonna stick out like an even sorer thumb in the year of our Lord, current.

Eh, who am I kidding? Like I'm not going to enjoy them re-opening up randos' old wounds and pissing on them all over again. Bring it on, Retardoware.
iu
 

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The lazy fucks wont even try to implement over 40 downloadable contents to this "legendary" edition. This is clearly a very lazily-made cash grab just to sell on the DA4 hype, and distract biocucks from the failures that were Anthem and Andromeda.

https://www.theverge.com/platform/a...cts-pinnacle-station-dlc-data-corruption-lost

You are just misreading a very poorly worded sentence. Pinnacle Station is the only DLC that won't be included, but all of the games' 40 other DLC will. Even lame promotional shit like the Dragon Age armor that doesn't make sense in the game's universe.
 

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
You know you live in clown world when a game that came out only 11 years ago is being called culturally "dated". And they're going on about how society has changed and improved since then. We really do live on a planet where decisions like this are made because they might offend Greta Thunberg's generation and the millenials. :negative:
 

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You know you live in clown world when a game that came out only 11 years ago is being called culturally "dated". And they're going on about how society has changed and improved since then. We really do live on a planet where decisions like this are made because they might offend Greta Thunberg's generation and the millenials. :negative:
It's culturally dated because Mass Effect was one of the last time a big studio tried to make a setting with a bit of heart.
 

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"Culturally dated", lol. The only suspect thing in the franchise is the whole race of blue alien babes that will mate with anything, especially with your big heterosexual earth cock. But it has gays in it. What more do you want? Yeah, the gay content is cringe and thrown in as an afterthought, but hey.
 

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