Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[rusty_shackleford]

You explicitly made this not about metagaming therefore any knowledge gorion's ward should know is relevant. Stop moving the goalposts.

What are you even talking about? What should the protagonist know and why? That Gorion fought Firkraag? Or that he once rolled with the Harpers? Maybe Gorion told him, maybe he didn't, the point is that Sarevok's ambush stays within the realm of the relatively mundane, as the Forgotten Realms go, there is nothing indicating Gorion is anything more than a reasonably skilled old mage at the time. And he sure as hell ain't as outlandish as an Unidentified Flying Octopus.

Did you go the first 20 years of your life without asking your dad a single thing about his life?

 

[Harthwain]

The cinematics are 100x better when you learned to use your imagination. Sorry you're missing out, zoomer.

"Just use your imagination, people!":

Spoiler

 

[Lacrymas]

Too bad they give us shitty imagination in its place.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

zoomers on suicide watch rn

 

[Gargaune]

Did you go the first 20 years of your life without asking your dad a single thing about his life?

And did your dad tell you everything? More to the point, would he have told you that you were actually the spawn of Satan and he used to work for the Inquisition? There's obviously stuff Gorion hasn't told the protagonist, not sure why you're so shocked he might've held back on other things, too.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Did you go the first 20 years of your life without asking your dad a single thing about his life?

And did your dad tell you everything? More to the point, would he have told you that you were actually the spawn of Satan and he used to work for the Inquisition? There's obviously stuff Gorion hasn't told the protagonist, not sure why you're so shocked he might've held back on other things, too.

if my dad fought dragons he probably would have reminded me at least hourly and anytime I refused to do something

 

[Gargaune]

if my dad fought dragons he probably would have reminded me at least hourly and anytime I refused to do something

"And, dad, how did you end up fighting the dragons?"
"YOUR MOTHER WAS A WHORE WHO SLEPT WITH THE DEVIL!"

Definitely no reason Gorion might wanna keep a low profile.

Okay, look, we're getting off track - it's 1998 and you're playing BG for the first time, watching Sarevok fight Gorion in the woods. To you, this is apparently as impressive as watching red dragons strafing tentacle blimps in hell... Why?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Okay, look, we're getting off track - it's 1998 and you're playing BG for the first time, watching Sarevok fight Gorion in the woods. To you, this is apparently as impressive as watching red dragons strafing tentacle blimps in hell... Why?

because I'm not a zoomer that lacks a functional imagination because his parents rotted his brain with a smartphone from the day he was a toddler

 

[Larianshill]

We live in 2020, gamers want to be thrust straight into action now, the very center of events, preferably with no build-up. Why do you think Dishonored 2 starts the way it does?

 

[Storyfag]

Larianshill, what you're describing fits into the larger running problem of supernatural "inflation" that's evident in BG3 from the get-go. Larian's title is by no means a trailblazer in this regard, it's an unfortunate trend in fiction, but it is a pretty obvious example of it - the entire adventure kicks off with Cthulhu-people, the HMS Tentacle Porn, dragon-riding aliens, a wrong turn into literal hell, and is followed by devil-dealing and the Underdark in short order... Of course a pair of Zhentarim spies or a dwarf aren't "special" enough for it anymore.

TBH all of that would have worked MUCH better with starting at level 5.

 

[ADULF HITLOR FAN KLUB]

The total disdain larian cultists show for the originals is just more proof that larian and their boot lickers have no right working on a number 3 and that larian has no intention of making a respectful sequel.

I honestly can't remember any developer having so much contempt for a CRPG series that they are making a sequel too.

Not only that, Larian apparently also despises the D&D ruleset. It must be a gruesome ordeal for them to insert D&D into their D:OS clone and not their very own "barrelmancy" ruleset (yes, I am aware of the fact the the game still has an endless onslaught of exploding barrels).

No passion, swen simply wants to create bg3 so that he can attach his name to a legacy after his world and ip he's been working on for 20 years couldn't cut it. If you can't create an ever lasting series, just abandon your own work and use someone elses.

This was simply a business a decision for Larian. They want to attract more gamers to their brand and incredibly mediocre D:OS series. Slapping the title of a legendary series onto their D:OS clone is a great way to do exactly that.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

reminder that there hasn't been a D&D-licensed cRPG worth playing made in 20 years whereas Larian made one of the best selling cRPGs of all time and swen is personally responsible for reviving the turn based cRPG genre

 

[NJClaw]

"game released in 1998 has less impressive cinematics than game slated to be released in 2022+"
I am shocked by this revelation. Shocked.

Yes, cinematics are the only difference between those two videos. Forget the alien spaceship traveling between planes while being stalked by dragons.

"big red flying thing more scary, me not understand concept of powerful mage. UGG ANGRY!"

Look at this duuuuude

Come on rusty, drop it. This is too much, even for you.

Yes, multiple dragons chasing a spaceship through multiple planes and ending up in Hell only to get attacked by devils IS more epic than a duel in the woods between a brute and a wizard. Especially since after a lightning bolt that powerful wizard has to resort to Melf's Acid Arrow and fucking Magic Missile. And after that TO HIS DAGGER.

"OoOoOoh, fear me! I'm such a powerful wizard! I'm going to stab you in the face!"

 

[Storyfag]

"watching the son of a god and one of the most powerful mages in faerun going at it isn't epic ok because IT ISN'T!"
lmao

At that point you have NO idea Sarevok is a Bhaalspawn. Also, Gorion one of the most powerful mages in Faerun? Sauce pls.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

"watching the son of a god and one of the most powerful mages in faerun going at it isn't epic ok because IT ISN'T!"
lmao

At that point you have NO idea Sarevok is a Bhaalspawn. Also, Gorion one of the most powerful mages in Faerun? Sauce pls.

He beat Firkraag.
And if we want to talk about silly plots, why doesn't Gorion just use teleport? Is conjuration his opposition school?

 

[Storyfag]

"watching the son of a god and one of the most powerful mages in faerun going at it isn't epic ok because IT ISN'T!"
lmao

At that point you have NO idea Sarevok is a Bhaalspawn. Also, Gorion one of the most powerful mages in Faerun? Sauce pls.

He beat Firkraag.
And if we want to talk about silly plots, why doesn't Gorion just use teleport? Is conjuration his opposition school?

A mage beating a dragon isn't really that rare in Faerun. It definitely doesn't mean he's one of the most powerful on the continent. As for why didn't he use teleport? Well, I would assume his level just was not high enough. His fireworks against Sarevok hinted at level 5. That is, admittedly, a bit too low to defeat a 2e dragon, but I wouldn't give him more than 9.

 

[Spectacle]

The total disdain larian cultists show for the originals is just more proof that larian and their boot lickers have no right working on a number 3 and that larian has no intention of making a respectful sequel.

I honestly can't remember any developer having so much contempt for a CRPG series that they are making a sequel too.

Have you forgotten about Fallout 3?

 

[NJClaw]

"watching the son of a god and one of the most powerful mages in faerun going at it isn't epic ok because IT ISN'T!"
lmao

At that point you have NO idea Sarevok is a Bhaalspawn. Also, Gorion one of the most powerful mages in Faerun? Sauce pls.

He beat Firkraag.
And if we want to talk about silly plots, why doesn't Gorion just use teleport? Is conjuration his opposition school?

Gorion didn't beat Firkraag on his own, so this tells us nothing about his power. And all this talking about him being one of the most powerful mages in Faerun is ridiculous, in BG2 you fight trash mobs far more powerful than him. He casts a lightning bolt, a melf's acid arrow, and a couple of magic missiles. By the end of the game Edwin is more powerful than that.

 

[Ontopoly]

This was simply a business a decision for Larian. They want to attract more gamers to their brand and incredibly mediocre D:OS series. Slapping the title of a legendary series onto their D:OS clone is a great way to do exactly that.

I think he's just sad that he couldn't do anything with free reign over an ip for 20 years meanwhile every day people are bringing up bg. It's jealousy, we all want to be part of something bigger. He's been coveting the bg series for it's longevity. No body mentions divine divinity, and in 5 years no one will care about DOS2. It's popular but he knows it won't last long as soon as their new product comes out and people see how shiny it is. It's just something that can temporarily catch the eyes of people looking for a new game and nothing else

 

[Ontopoly]

He beat Firkraag.

We all beat Firkraag. and we were able to actually do it. Not just piss him off for a couple years and then just leave another problem for our adopted child to deal with

 

[Salvo]

patiently waiting for ZOOMERS to find out that BG1 was the equivalent of a AAA game in '98

back in my day we had imagination, ZOOMER.

The cinematics are 100x better when you learned to use your imagination. Sorry you're missing out, ZOOMER.

ZOOMERS on suicide watch rn

because I'm not a ZOOMER that lacks a functional imagination because his parents rotted his brain with a smartphone from the day he was a toddler

At this point I think we could switch rusty with a bot and nobody would be able to tell the difference.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

"watching the son of a god and one of the most powerful mages in faerun going at it isn't epic ok because IT ISN'T!"
lmao

At that point you have NO idea Sarevok is a Bhaalspawn. Also, Gorion one of the most powerful mages in Faerun? Sauce pls.

He beat Firkraag.
And if we want to talk about silly plots, why doesn't Gorion just use teleport? Is conjuration his opposition school?

A mage beating a dragon isn't really that rare in Faerun. It definitely doesn't mean he's one of the most powerful on the continent. As for why didn't he use teleport? Well, I would assume his level just was not high enough. His fireworks against Sarevok hinted at level 5. That is, admittedly, a bit too low to defeat a 2e dragon, but I wouldn't give him more than 9.

Firkraag has 65% MR and -11 AC. With that, we can figure out that he's not only an ancient dragon, he's a great wyrm. He's essentially one of the most powerful red dragons around.
I thought you would have put more effort into checking this before replying tbh.

 

[Storyfag]

"watching the son of a god and one of the most powerful mages in faerun going at it isn't epic ok because IT ISN'T!"
lmao

At that point you have NO idea Sarevok is a Bhaalspawn. Also, Gorion one of the most powerful mages in Faerun? Sauce pls.

He beat Firkraag.
And if we want to talk about silly plots, why doesn't Gorion just use teleport? Is conjuration his opposition school?

A mage beating a dragon isn't really that rare in Faerun. It definitely doesn't mean he's one of the most powerful on the continent. As for why didn't he use teleport? Well, I would assume his level just was not high enough. His fireworks against Sarevok hinted at level 5. That is, admittedly, a bit too low to defeat a 2e dragon, but I wouldn't give him more than 9.

Firkraag has 65% MR and -11 AC. With that, we can figure out that he's not only an ancient dragon, he's a great wyrm. He's essentially one of the most powerful red dragons around.
I thought you would have put more effort into checking this before replying tbh.

Effort? Ughhhhh.

 

[Gargaune]

because I'm not a zoomer that lacks a functional imagination because his parents rotted his brain with a smartphone from the day he was a toddler

That's for sure, when a roadside brawl's on par with BG3's cosmic Marvel schlock, your problem's not a lack of imagination... Avoid the Netherlands, though, I hear they're full of windmills.

Anyway, stop dodging the question. It's '98, you're playing BG for the first time and watching Gorion and Sarevok go at it - what about it makes you think Cthulhu vs. Godzilla epic? What exactly is your "imagination" working on?

TBH all of that would have worked MUCH better with starting at level 5.

Would've worked even better if they got you going at level 1 with a suspicious headache, and then gradually introduced that shit as you progressed. But that's too slow for modern boom-boom audiences.

 

[Desiderius]

TO HIS DAGGER.

"OoOoOoh, fear me! I'm such a powerful wizard! I'm going to stab you in the face!"

Maybe he's a Dual-classed Fighter with five of the little plus thingies in what, Dagger? Small Blades?

Am I in the right ruleset?

Just seems cool that's he's doing the Obi Wan for me against something that tough looking tbh.