RPG's you didn't like both initially and later on

[Darth Canoli]

Better thread:
Which game on this list the WORST?

In the top20, I think New Vegas and Morrowind are shit and dont even belong.

Gothic II
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
Dark Souls
Pathfinder: Kingmaker
Jagged Alliance 2
The Witcher III: Wild Hunt
Underrail
Gothic

These don't belong to the Top 20.
DS/Witcher are console action games marketed as action/RPG
JA 2 was marketed as strategy/tactical game
PK is a piece of shit, it did nothing right.
Underrail is single character all the way, not a RPG.
Gothic 1/2 combat system is garbage.

 

[Ismaul]

gothic 2

Please explain. You liked Enderal, so how come you didn't like Gothic 2?

Wait, what is this Enderal and how does it relate to the best GOAT Gothic?

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/sureais-new-project-enderal-the-shards-of-order.73191/

Yes but my question is how does it relate to Gothic. TES games have the opposite approach to open worlds, and they're bland crap IMO, yes even Morrowind.

 

[Gregz]

Gothic I - eurojank nostalgia shilled by europoors who got it free in a magazine
Gothic II - more eurojank nostalgia shilled by europoors who got it free in a magazine
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind - ugly, inferior to Daggerfall
Dark Souls - boring, tedious, unfun
Pathfinder: Kingmaker - so many unspeakably poor design decisions plague this abortion
D:OS 2 - so bad

 

[Jvegi]

Literally, behead those who insult Gothic. WTF?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

gothic 2

Please explain. You liked Enderal, so how come you didn't like Gothic 2?

Wait, what is this Enderal and how does it relate to the best GOAT Gothic?

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/sureais-new-project-enderal-the-shards-of-order.73191/

Yes but my question is how does it relate to Gothic. TES games have the opposite approach to open worlds, and they're bland crap IMO, yes even Morrowind.

It's not a TES game.

 

[Bruma Hobo]

RPG's you didn't like both initially and later on

and played only because codex told you to do so

Baldur's Gate, Paper Sorcerer, anything Obsidian. I would also mention Ultima VII, but I knew of that game before knowing the Codex. I'm about to play Disco Elysium, that game might get in here too.

I didn't like both Gothic and Pool of Radiance at first, but eventually I ended up liking them... still, they might be great games, but I don't think of them as good role-playing ones: Gothic is a well made Tomb Rider style action-adventure title with shit RPG mechanics, and the Gold Box games are tacticool munchkin simulators rather than proper role-playing games.

 

[toro]

and played only because codex told you to do so

none

Spoiler

i don't give a fuck about codex's opinion about rpgs but i'm fortunate enough to like the same great games like fallout, arcanum, pst, krondor, gothic, thief, deus ex, underrail and so on

 

[jackofshadows]

There is no "later on" if I do not start to like the game within the first few hours (or less).

As to stuff I tried based on Codex recommendations and didn't like what I saw in the beginning, it's a long list (trigger warning!):

- Bloodlines
- Deus Ex
- Morrowind
- Anachronox
- Betrayal at Krondor
- Might & Magic 7 & 8
- Ultima 7
- Dark Sun
- Alpha Protocol
- Daggerfall
- Elminage Gothic
- Expeditions: Conquistador
- Pathfinder: Kingmaker
- Arcanum

I'm sure that a few of those I could start liking if I give them another chance. Most probable retries: Arcanum, PF:K, maybe Deus Ex.

..........
Ever tried some other genres?

Probably won't look at this thread ever again to not think less of some Codex users.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

Witcher 3.

Who told you this?

 

[Falksi]

Hands down The Witcher 3. Not only a shit game, but one which goes against everything the Codex is supposed to stand for.

Was daft enough to play it through a second time thinking I must be missing something.

 

[Ismaul]

gothic 2

Please explain. You liked Enderal, so how come you didn't like Gothic 2?

Wait, what is this Enderal and how does it relate to the best GOAT Gothic?

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/sureais-new-project-enderal-the-shards-of-order.73191/

Yes but my question is how does it relate to Gothic. TES games have the opposite approach to open worlds, and they're bland crap IMO, yes even Morrowind.

It's not a TES game.

Worse, it's a TES mod, inheriting all the shittyness of the engine and gameplay. Like New Vegas. But if it's got Gothicness inside, it might be interesting despite that. I just want to know what it is that makes it similar to Gothic.

 

[toro]

Hands down The Witcher 3. Not only a shit game, but one which goes against everything the Codex is supposed to stand for.

Was daft enough to play it through a second time thinking I must be missing something.

seventh run is the magic one

 

[V_K]

Before the Codex era - Diablo and both Gothics. It was a combination of hype that convinced me they should be good games and me being quite inexperienced gaming-wise at the time, which meant I didn't have a very clear idea of what I did and didn't like in RPGs. So I didn't quite realize I wasn't having fun until some time after I've played those games.

In the Codex era, I had the same experience Age of Decadence. I was sold on non-combat playthroughs, and that made me keep playing - and only halfway through I realized that I didn't in fact like CYOAs.

 

[Agesilaus]

Not going to read the thread, but I hope that PST has featured prominently as an astoundingly shit and over-hyped title

 

[Lady Error]

There is no "later on" if I do not start to like the game within the first few hours (or less).

As to stuff I tried based on Codex recommendations and didn't like what I saw in the beginning, it's a long list (trigger warning!):

- Bloodlines
- Deus Ex
- Morrowind
- Anachronox
- Betrayal at Krondor
- Might & Magic 7 & 8
- Ultima 7
- Dark Sun
- Alpha Protocol
- Daggerfall
- Elminage Gothic
- Expeditions: Conquistador
- Pathfinder: Kingmaker
- Arcanum

I'm sure that a few of those I could start liking if I give them another chance. Most probable retries: Arcanum, PF:K, maybe Deus Ex.

..........
Ever tried some other genres?

Out of the Codex Top 100, those are the ones that I tried and didn't like. Most of the rest of the Top 100 I either enjoyed (the turn-based titles) or didn't play (the action RPG's).

Are you one of those who likes every RPG in the Codex Top 100?

 

[Citizen]

Every single one except for ELEX

 

[V_K]

Out of the Codex Top 100, those are the ones that I tried and didn't like.

I understand or can understand most of those, but how can you not like Dark Sun?

 

[Lady Error]

Out of the Codex Top 100, those are the ones that I tried and didn't like.

I understand or can understand most of those, but how can you not like Dark Sun?

Didn't play it back in the day and when I tried it a few years ago, it seemed too clunky to enjoy. I may be wrong, of course.

 

[V_K]

Out of the Codex Top 100, those are the ones that I tried and didn't like.

I understand or can understand most of those, but how can you not like Dark Sun?

Didn't play it back in the day and when I tried it a few years ago, it seemed too clunky to enjoy. I may be wrong, of course.

You've survived Wizards&Warriors and Grimoire. How come clunky scares you still?

 

[Lady Error]

Those two are different for me because both are sort of sequels to Wizardry 7, which is pretty much my favorite RPG.

And W&W is not even clunky. Grimoire has indeed a UI learning curve, but it also offers a lot of Quality of Life improvements (autowalking on maps, remembering the chosen actions in combat, etc.)

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

Everything from Bioware after NWN1.

 

[Drowed]

Underrail is single character all the way, not a RPG.

It is only in the Codex that I can learn that, after playing Gurps for almost 20 years, I have never been playing an RPG because I was controlling only one character.
(And yeah, I played several solo adventures with my GM, or narrated solo adventures for some people.)

 

[Elwro]

PoE. I eventually just stopped playing due to boredom.

Then some sane people were saying that PoE2 was better. But I am organically unable to play a second game in the series before finishing the first one. So I tried PoE again, and again quit due to boredom.

(I also compulsively read all the text a game has to offer, which might have been a factor here.)

 

[Lady Error]

Then some sane people were saying that PoE2 was better. But I am organically unable to play a second game in the series before finishing the first one. So I tried PoE again, and again quit due to boredom.

Get the two White March expansions. They are much better quality than the base game. They also improved the base game itself quite a bit from what it was at release.

Deadfire is indeed much better in my opinion.

 

[Darth Canoli]

It is only in the Codex that I can learn that, after playing Gurps for almost 20 years, I have never been playing an RPG because I was controlling only one character.
(And yeah, I played several solo adventures with my GM, or narrated solo adventures for some people.)

Well, it's never too late to learn.
If you start your argument by talking about PnP while the conversation is about Underrail, it means you admit you don't have any (argument).
Yes, as discussed over and over around here, in PnP, it's the GM against a party and cRPG tried to emulate a party management for friendless nerds.

There's no cRPG without a party.