Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Yosharian]

For some reason all my custom portraits appear pixelated in-game, I don't know why

Probably not the right height*width. Maybe try to adjust according to the initial portraits in some Windows Paint or smth.

No, they are the right dimensions.

 

[Desiderius]

I had that happen when trying to use them in Wrath. You don’t want to install the whole portrait pack, just choose the ones you want.

 

[Desiderius]

Finally figured out how to use Arrowsong Strike on the seventh try or something so built a party around her for another run. It's a sixth-level ability for the Arrowsong Minstrel Bard Archetype. This Archetype gives you the attack buff Songs (but none of the other ones) and Good Hope, which are the two essential reasons you play a Bard, and crucially you bypass Soft Cover (+4 AC on blocked target) from teammates who can hear your song. You also get Precise Shot at level two and most Evocation spells, including the Rays that go with the sixth level Arrowsong Strike ability which is ranged Spellstrike without Spell Combat, which is something I'd never really tried before in melee or ranged.

Finally came to the conclusion that what you want to do is use a XBow and Keen Edge/Improved Crit to maximize your chance of doubling Ray damage while avoiding every possible malus to lessen the chance of missing vs full AC and wassting your spell while using Bullseye Shot with your freed up Move Action since you no longer need full attacks like every other ranged build.

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Bless and Good Hope lol. That's from using Oracle in place of Cleric.

Supporting cast:

Thug 4/Sage Counselor x Disarming/Feinting Sai Cuisinart

Ninja Flurry of Darts specialist

Drill Sergeant BowTank

Nature-Bonded Magus

Divine Herbalist

 

[Desiderius]

New CHR-based Spontaneous Ranger Holic just added:

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Trickery is a nice one for a ranged character, letting this class cover Trickery (with some equipment help) and those little sparklies on the character sheet are opportunities to pick up Wiz/Bard spells like Good Hope that are otherwise hard to get. UMD fits a CHR-based character far better than Knowledge World ever fit a WIS-based Ranger. +4 Saves vs Fey replaces Endurance.

Can never remember if Flurry of Blows works with Two-Weapon Fighting. It does. This guy will be an absolutely blender since you pick up off-hand iteratives at same rate you get main hand in CotW without needing to spend additional feats. The bonus Disarm on each Sai is also a nice one as Dazzling Blade https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/dazzling-blade/ does double duty since Sage Counselor is the Bluff/Feint Monk:

Opens combat here by just walking up Stealthed and Disarming this poor lvl 9 Skeleton.

One of the benefits of DEX-based is a good solid Stealth number.

Spend a Ki point for a Swift Feint instead of an extra attack is usually a good deal. The higher the difficulty the better this gets (as long as you can land it obv) since it cancels out the extra DEX.

This interaction is kind of hilarious. Disarm causes mob to attempt an unarmed attack which triggers an attack of opportunity, but before that happens it also triggers a free Feint through Swordplay Upset https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/swordplay-upset-combat/ so the Attack of Opportunity is against a Flatfooted opponent.

 

[Nikanuur]

For some reason all my custom portraits appear pixelated in-game, I don't know why

Probably not the right height*width. Maybe try to adjust according to the initial portraits in some Windows Paint or smth.

No, they are the right dimensions.

Or possibly the pixels are not the same amount? Apologies, idrk, just trying to think.

 

[Nikanuur]

Guys is there any full description bestiary in-game or web-based? I find it hard to believe, that when firstly recognized, I can click on the monster with all its specs, abilities, immunities, perks etc... and there is nothing but a bit of a lore text tin the Encyclopedia Bestiary itself O.O
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EDIT:
Oh it's the inspect button and hover over the enemy, np, I got it.

 

[Nikanuur]

Desiderius

I'm beginning to understand what you meant by the u

While playing PoE and PoE II I have discovered how funy the "catch me if you can" archer's tactique with some traps and an occassional switch to melee can be. The one being chased runs, other members of the party shoot and dynamicaly close in or disengage from chasing enemies to sway the aggro on themselves in turns.

Although the speed is much more a limiting factor in P:KM, even at the third level I can still land 4-10 shots before one of the party members is caught, and then do some charge or shielding techniques to save them, if need be. I believe that with more levels and more feats put into speed this will become more viable.

This is unnecessary.

I'm beginning to understand what you meant by that. At least 50% of monsters are faster then most of my party members. Also, changing the weapons is quirky even with mods at best. Oh damn

 

[Yosharian]

For some reason all my custom portraits appear pixelated in-game, I don't know why

Probably not the right height*width. Maybe try to adjust according to the initial portraits in some Windows Paint or smth.

No, they are the right dimensions.

Or possibly the pixels are not the same amount? Apologies, idrk, just trying to think.

No need to apologise, but I have checked the dimensions, file type, etc multiple times.

 

[Desiderius]

Why are you frowning? Weapon-switching and kiting are unnecessary.

 

[Desiderius]

You can pull with a Bow on Val then switch and Dazzling Display while the mobs approach which is fine but Charge is just easier.

 

[Gay-Lussac]

Let me ask you guys a normie question ¿any decent portrait for a magus? All i find is weabo trash over the top.

I hope for WotR there is more that 3 or 4 sad options by default :S

I've had some luck looking for keywords like "portrait + class + (or) race) on pinterest. They'll usually just be a face, but the full body portraits only ever show in a couple of menus.

 

[Nikanuur]

Why are you frowning? Weapon-switching and kiting are unnecessary.

Well, for one, to say someone's playstyle is unnecessary... with all due respect, that's a poor choice of words. Who's to say someone mustn't take joy in whatever they choose in a game that actually is all about different builds and approaches?

...but coming around, I see the game doesn't allow much for that very-mobile-archers approach. At least on the lower levels. No big deal, it just saddens me.

 

[Desiderius]

I am.

It’s unnecessary. You want to masturbate while you’re fighting knock yourself out, doesn’t change the facts.

You’ll find more joy in mastery than you will trying to shoehorn this game into your prior expectations.

 

[Faarbaute]

Desiderius, don't you ever get tired of this shit.

You do this all the time. Reframe a statement or a question or whatever, in some asinie way as to make yourself out to be correct and the initial statement/question seem false or stupid.

You are not beeing clever, you are beeing a cunt.

 

[Desiderius]

I’m not reframing anything. I answered his question.

I’m simply pointing to reality. That this is so painful for you should tell you something.

 

[PanDupa]

Can anyone say how much call of the wild change the balance of the game? Does it become easier since you have more feats and classes?

 

[LannTheStupid]

...but coming around, I see the game doesn't allow much for that very-mobile-archers approach. At least on the lower levels. No big deal, it just saddens me.

You can make a barbarian archer - barbarians have natural + to speed. You can use Expeditious Retreat which adds 20 speed (I think) and lasts 1 minute per level. But yes, it seems the enemies are faster than in Pillars.

 

[Desiderius]

If you’ve got a kiting itch that you just can’t scratch, use Stone Call + Feather Step, Mass. In general spells that cause Difficult Terrain will slow down mobs, Stone Call is just the easiest to cast.

There are a few mobs where weapon types (and materials!) matter but you can just scout ahead on those usually. If you like to play mixed characters who are as good with Bow as with Blade the CotW mod makes weapon switching a Move Action and has a Feat (Quick Draw) that makes it free.

 

[Gay-Lussac]

...but coming around, I see the game doesn't allow much for that very-mobile-archers approach. At least on the lower levels. No big deal, it just saddens me.

You can make a barbarian archer - barbarians have natural + to speed. You can use Expeditious Retreat which adds 20 speed (I think) and lasts 1 minute per level. But yes, it seems the enemies are faster than in Pillars.

If you're itching for speed, wouldn't a Zen Archer from Call of the Wild be better?

 

[Desiderius]

We kind of advised him to play vanilla first. Distracting/slowing down mobs is in fact a viable and well-supported strategy in P:K, it’s just that the whole point is to make kiting unnecessary so that you can get full attacks in with your ranged characters.

 

[Desiderius]

Can anyone say how much call of the wild change the balance of the game? Does it become easier since you have more feats and classes?

Cover and Proper Flanking make it significantly harder. If you know what you're doing from playing vanilla you can figure out ways to solve the problems those create, which is fun.

 

[Nikanuur]

...but coming around, I see the game doesn't allow much for that very-mobile-archers approach. At least on the lower levels. No big deal, it just saddens me.

You can make a barbarian archer - barbarians have natural + to speed. You can use Expeditious Retreat which adds 20 speed (I think) and lasts 1 minute per level. But yes, it seems the enemies are faster than in Pillars.

If you're itching for speed, wouldn't a Zen Archer from Call of the Wild be better?

Yep, for example. CoTW installed, along with some other mods. They were too awsome to wait.

@Desiderius> Thank you for all the advices prior to the last one. I don't find it likeable to do as you prefer in your own time.

 

[Desiderius]

Thanks for sharing. Sooner you stop worrying about being liked the better life you’ll have. Behold the issue of likable men:



Good riddance.

To sum up: any turn with a Move is a turn without a Full Attack. That means no iteratives, no Rapid Shot, no Manyshot, no Flurry of Blows, no secondary Bites, no Spell Combat, etc...

The game is not designed to be played on the move, especially for ranged characters.

 

[Efe]

on the other hand he gets unlimited attacks by movin and shooting. his only real expense is his sanity

 

[Nikanuur]

Thanks for sharing. Sooner you stop worrying about being liked the better life you’ll have. Behold the issue of likable men:



Good riddance.

To sum up: any turn with a Move is a turn without a Full Attack. That means no iteratives, no Rapid Shot, no Manyshot, no Flurry of Blows, no secondary Bites, no Spell Combat, etc...

The game is not designed to be played on the move, especially for ranged characters.

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I beg your pardon, we are all here because of something we like. It's the main reason actually. Also, it's generaly more respectable to offer inspiration of wisdom instead of imposing it.

Secondly, what you said about running is not what I described. Or I must've described it poorly. If you are interested, look up the Heki Ryu / Koshiya Kumiyumi, but think reverse. Then add much more mobile, much more sparse and individual positioning.