CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[Bliblablubb]

If I ever play this game again in a year or so, I need that mod replacing AltF4 Cuntingham with Sasquatch. Daaaayum Johnny, you pick them... thicc?

 

[blachan]

If they mod in an option to hide undiscovered map markers I could try replaying it and finishing it this time.

The game is not designed with organic exploration in mind, there's only like two quests that start with you talking to an NPC in the street, all the others are calls. No markers would virtually make no difference

lost opportunity given that the city looks so nice

 

[Quillon]

just came across this

Spoiler

https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Jackie_Welles
If Jackie's body was send to his family or if Delamain was told to wait for V:

Mama Welles called V and mentioned his family and friends were conducting a traditional ofrenda to mourn his loss. Guests include Viktor Vektor, Padre, several Valentinos, and Misty if V insists that she should attend in spite of Jackie's mother's opinion. V can choose to speak at the ofrenda. When the ceremony concludes, Jackie's mother presents V with the key to Jackie's beloved ARCH motorcycle as a parting gift. After The Heist you can find Jackie interred in the Columbarium in the south part of North Oak. The epitaph on his tomb reads: "Good night, sweet prince."[3]
If Jackie's body was send to Viktor:

Although the Jackie's body was delivered to Viktor Vektor, it was intercepted by Arasaka. Takemura revealed later to V that Arasaka used Soulkiller to find out more about the heist. Few engrams are met to learn more about the Relic's true nature. However when Jackie's engram appears to V in Mikoshi, they admit that it's nothing but data pretending to be human.
If V accepted Johnny's mission, V will free Jackie's engram and let it fuse with the image of Alt Cunningham to become an even more powerful AI.[4]

do you guys think its good narrative design for such a seemingly unimportant choice to have wildly different outcomes? that player has no idea about in the second case in this instance? I mean it should be good to have different outcomes but the "gotcha" dialog choices before jackie's demise already rubbed me the wrong way then this fucking shit that I've just found about that instead of a sobby funeral jackie could'a been in the main narrative down the road... annoying af

 

[Tyrr]

just came across this

Spoiler

https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Jackie_Welles
If Jackie's body was send to his family or if Delamain was told to wait for V:

Mama Welles called V and mentioned his family and friends were conducting a traditional ofrenda to mourn his loss. Guests include Viktor Vektor, Padre, several Valentinos, and Misty if V insists that she should attend in spite of Jackie's mother's opinion. V can choose to speak at the ofrenda. When the ceremony concludes, Jackie's mother presents V with the key to Jackie's beloved ARCH motorcycle as a parting gift. After The Heist you can find Jackie interred in the Columbarium in the south part of North Oak. The epitaph on his tomb reads: "Good night, sweet prince."[3]
If Jackie's body was send to Viktor:

Although the Jackie's body was delivered to Viktor Vektor, it was intercepted by Arasaka. Takemura revealed later to V that Arasaka used Soulkiller to find out more about the heist. Few engrams are met to learn more about the Relic's true nature. However when Jackie's engram appears to V in Mikoshi, they admit that it's nothing but data pretending to be human.
If V accepted Johnny's mission, V will free Jackie's engram and let it fuse with the image of Alt Cunningham to become an even more powerful AI.[4]

do you guys think its good narrative design for such a seemingly unimportant choice to have wildly different outcomes? that player has no idea about in the second case in this instance? I mean it should be good to have different outcomes but the "gotcha" dialog choices before jackie's demise already rubbed me the wrong way then this fucking shit that I've just found about that instead of a sobby funeral jackie could'a been in the main narrative down the road... annoying af

Reminds me of this.

 

[Zer0wing]

Reminds me of this.

No, this was intentional. Disney wants to sell more books, comics, SW:BF2017 skins and more and more along with the movies because they sank too much money into the franchise already and these money never coming back since each movie returns less money due to budget overbloat.

If V accepted Johnny's mission, V will free Jackie's engram and let it fuse with the image of Alt Cunningham to become an even more powerful AI.[4]

What. Code bloating makes programs stronger? If so, then Javascript codemonkeys should be the most powerful wizards, yet it doesn't happen. Are we sure the script is not written by a girl or Adam Badowski itself or any other humanitarian at the studio in exchange for a rice bowl paid by their current chinese overlords?

 

[Twiglard]

Code bloating makes programs stronger? If so, then Javascript codemonkeys should

Humans aren't made of line-by-line code. They're made of network weights.

 

[lukaszek]

i assume that alt is using other ais to retrain herself

 

[Gargaune]

do you guys think its good narrative design for such a seemingly unimportant choice to have wildly different outcomes? that player has no idea about in the second case in this instance? I mean it should be good to have different outcomes but the "gotcha" dialog choices before jackie's demise already rubbed me the wrong way then this fucking shit that I've just found about that instead of a sobby funeral jackie could'a been in the main narrative down the road... annoying af

Ideally you'd want a mix of obvious, deliberate choices and obscure ones, with unexpected ramifications. Like in DX, for example, telling Reyes to either skedaddle or stay on as a spy pays some significant dividends much later on. But it does seem like CDPR might've leaned a little too hard into the "butterfly effect" sort of player agency, and that's where they built player agency to begin with.

 

[Marat]

Ideally you'd want a mix of obvious, deliberate choices and obscure ones, with unexpected ramifications. Like in DX, for example, telling Reyes to either skedaddle or stay on as a spy pays some significant dividends much later on. But it does seem like CDPR might've leaned a little too hard into the "butterfly effect" sort of player agency, and that's where they built player agency to begin with.

They didn't really "lean into" it. They were all in on it since their first game. One would think that with foreknowledge of having played through the game you could make the right choice leading to a desired outcome, but in the Witcher games reality would seemingly alter itself to have your choice give a "bad' result, regardless of which one you make.

 

[Wesp5]

do you guys think its good narrative design for such a seemingly unimportant choice to have wildly different outcomes?

No, because nobody could have guessed that. Also it would mean to replay basically the whole game just to see the changes!

 

[RRRrrr]

Look at this fucking retard. Nope, the AI isn't bad because it isn't 360 no scope headshotting you through the wall. It's bad because it doesn't behave realistically at all. People are not braindead, unlike the enemies in Cyberpunk 2077. Or maybe everyone being a braindead retard seems realistic to these idiots because they are drawing experience from the CDP office. Makes you think.

 

[Gargaune]

Nope, the AI isn't bad because it isn't 360 no scope headshotting you through the wall. It's bad because it doesn't behave realistically at all.

Yeah, I don't think combat performance is what most people were ragging on the AI for... Which is concerning, 'cause that means either these guys were deliberately arguing against a strawman, or they're just not in the loop with their own feedback.

Reminds of this one time I was walking down the street and some Tyger Claws decided they didn't like my baggy coat that made me look bigger than I really was. They started shooting at me and I kited them towards the nearby police patrol only to realise they were there for decor. But the instant I started firing back, guess who turned into Dirty Harry?

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

just came across this

Spoiler

https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Jackie_Welles
If Jackie's body was send to his family or if Delamain was told to wait for V:

Mama Welles called V and mentioned his family and friends were conducting a traditional ofrenda to mourn his loss. Guests include Viktor Vektor, Padre, several Valentinos, and Misty if V insists that she should attend in spite of Jackie's mother's opinion. V can choose to speak at the ofrenda. When the ceremony concludes, Jackie's mother presents V with the key to Jackie's beloved ARCH motorcycle as a parting gift. After The Heist you can find Jackie interred in the Columbarium in the south part of North Oak. The epitaph on his tomb reads: "Good night, sweet prince."[3]
If Jackie's body was send to Viktor:

Although the Jackie's body was delivered to Viktor Vektor, it was intercepted by Arasaka. Takemura revealed later to V that Arasaka used Soulkiller to find out more about the heist. Few engrams are met to learn more about the Relic's true nature. However when Jackie's engram appears to V in Mikoshi, they admit that it's nothing but data pretending to be human.
If V accepted Johnny's mission, V will free Jackie's engram and let it fuse with the image of Alt Cunningham to become an even more powerful AI.[4]

do you guys think its good narrative design for such a seemingly unimportant choice to have wildly different outcomes? that player has no idea about in the second case in this instance? I mean it should be good to have different outcomes but the "gotcha" dialog choices before jackie's demise already rubbed me the wrong way then this fucking shit that I've just found about that instead of a sobby funeral jackie could'a been in the main narrative down the road... annoying af

I felt ripped off that my decision to have Viktor the ripper deal with Jackie's bloody corpse rather than deposit it at his mother's home resulted in its interception by Arasaka and only a passing appearance of his engram at the end (in the Arasaka route), whereas I would have experienced extensive character interactions with either of the other two options. Though the differences are cosmetic either way.

 

[Alienman]

Look at this fucking retard. Nope, the AI isn't bad because it isn't 360 no scope headshotting you through the wall. It's bad because it doesn't behave realistically at all. People are not braindead, unlike the enemies in Cyberpunk 2077. Or maybe everyone being a braindead retard seems realistic to these idiots because they are drawing experience from the CDP office. Makes you think.

Sounds like if they could, but they won't because of all the plebs playing since they wouldn't be able to handle it and have their mind shattered - release the coolest AI ever, except well, it would cheat because that is the only way apparently.

 

[typical user]

Look at this fucking retard. Nope, the AI isn't bad because it isn't 360 no scope headshotting you through the wall. It's bad because it doesn't behave realistically at all. People are not braindead, unlike the enemies in Cyberpunk 2077. Or maybe everyone being a braindead retard seems realistic to these idiots because they are drawing experience from the CDP office. Makes you think.

They made it like this so braindead Badowski would have fun and not force them to scrap their entire work because he found it too difficult and wanted the same complexity because he played RDR2 last weekend.

 

[blachan]

let's hope this game will be halfway decent a year from now

 

[vibehunter]

let's hope this game will be halfway decent a year from now

It'll maybe be worth paying $15 for the GOTY edition a few years from now. Nothing more.

 

[gerey]

let's hope this game will be halfway decent a year from now

It's close to 8 months since the game came out.

In that time, other than "fixing" performance issues and smoothing out the most glaring and gamebreaking bugs, CDPR has done nothing to improve the game, none of the supposed placeholder systems have been swapped for their planned counterparts, no cut content has been reimplemented, no free DLC has been released, no paid DLC has been announced.

We all know they've just given up on the game and are pretending to be patching it until most people stop caring, so they can announce they're dropping support without suffering widespread criticism.

 

[jf8350143]

All the new content will come, in the form of live service multi-player game.

 

[Gerrard]

 

[ADL]

wtf codex told me Cyberpunk 2077 has bad gameplay
looks just like Doom Eternal

 

[Rafidur]

Trying to guess the context. "My autistic brother..." reddit post? Games journalist? Streamer playing with donkey kong bongos?

 

[Comrade Goby]

let's hope this game will be halfway decent a year from now

Still the best recent AAA game but's because AAA games are in the same state movies are in.

 

[Old Hans]

none of the supposed placeholder systems have been swapped for their planned counterparts

from my experience with Witcher 3, something tells me those weren't placeholder systems. it's the best they could come up with

 

[Old Hans]

wtf codex told me Cyberpunk 2077 has bad gameplay
looks just like Doom Eternal

I like how its all spastic Quake 1 death match, but everyone is moving at a snails pace