The Denuvo DRM Thread

[Azdul]

And someone, at some point, might want to examine multiplayer FPS from the early 21st century, and he won't be able to get any first hand experience of some Battlefield games just because the publisher decided to shut it all down and it had always online DRM.

Technical issues can be solved, stupid laws are the main problem.

Rockstar can shut down GTA 3 reverse engineering GitHub repositories through DMCA, and doesn't need any proof that the code is illegal. Copyright length is being extended each time Mickey Mouse may become public domain. Congressman Sonny Bono even proposed that copyright should never expire - fortunately other Republicans do not have income from song royalties and had not supported him.

As long as the law is as it is, part of digital cultural heritage will be lost forever.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

And someone, at some point, might want to examine multiplayer FPS from the early 21st century, and he won't be able to get any first hand experience of some Battlefield games just because the publisher decided to shut it all down and it had always online DRM.

Technical issues can be solved, stupid laws are the main problem.

Rockstar can shut down GTA 3 reverse engineering GitHub repositories through DMCA, and doesn't need any proof that the code is illegal. Copyright length is being extended each time Mickey Mouse may become public domain. Congressman Sonny Bono even proposed that copyright should never expire - fortunately other Republicans do not have income from song royalties and had not supported him.

As long as the law is as it is, part of digital cultural heritage will be lost forever.

people who defend copyright laws:
extremely wealth attorneys for multi-billion dollar globohomo corporations
AND
people who have created nothing but are convinced they have an amazing idea and they don't want anyone to steal it when they (never) make it

 

[Sentinel]

And someone, at some point, might want to examine multiplayer FPS from the early 21st century, and he won't be able to get any first hand experience of some Battlefield games just because the publisher decided to shut it all down and it had always online DRM.

Technical issues can be solved, stupid laws are the main problem.

Rockstar can shut down GTA 3 reverse engineering GitHub repositories through DMCA, and doesn't need any proof that the code is illegal. Copyright length is being extended each time Mickey Mouse may become public domain. Congressman Sonny Bono even proposed that copyright should never expire - fortunately other Republicans do not have income from song royalties and had not supported him.

As long as the law is as it is, part of digital cultural heritage will be lost forever.

people who defend copyright laws:
extremely wealth attorneys for multi-billion dollar globohomo corporations
AND
people who have created nothing but are convinced they have an amazing idea and they don't want anyone to steal it when they (never) make it

why should some asshole be allowed to profit from my idea without my consent

 

[rusty_shackleford]

And someone, at some point, might want to examine multiplayer FPS from the early 21st century, and he won't be able to get any first hand experience of some Battlefield games just because the publisher decided to shut it all down and it had always online DRM.

Technical issues can be solved, stupid laws are the main problem.

Rockstar can shut down GTA 3 reverse engineering GitHub repositories through DMCA, and doesn't need any proof that the code is illegal. Copyright length is being extended each time Mickey Mouse may become public domain. Congressman Sonny Bono even proposed that copyright should never expire - fortunately other Republicans do not have income from song royalties and had not supported him.

As long as the law is as it is, part of digital cultural heritage will be lost forever.

people who defend copyright laws:
extremely wealth attorneys for multi-billion dollar globohomo corporations
AND
people who have created nothing but are convinced they have an amazing idea and they don't want anyone to steal it when they (never) make it

why should some asshole be allowed to profit from my idea without my consent

They aren't selling your idea, they're selling a product they created that may have been inspired by your ideas that you willingly shared with them.

 

[Raghar]

You would think that a multi million dollar corporation could buy out a deranged money hungry tranny.

It's about ideology. When DRM would go down, everyone would be happier. And emperes would be responsible.

 

[Ravielsk]

people who have created nothing but are convinced they have an amazing idea and they don't want anyone to steal it when they (never) make it

Its insane how accurate this is. I have noticed that whenever the discussion surrounding copyright or DRM there is always a couple of assholes arguing "well its not a problem now so lets not worry about it". To them everything seems to be entirely wrapped around short term immediate effects and everything beyond that is just "a bonus". Its absolutely infuriating to me because if we were to apply their line of reasoning across the board then as a species we would have rejected the idea of even having a written language for fear of "having our thoughts stolen".

why should some asshole be allowed to profit from my idea without my consent

Because fundamentally one cannot profit from an idea. You can only profit from a realization of that idea. The best of ideas are not worth shit until they manifest somehow outside your own head. And once they do anyone can form their own ideas based on those manifestations but then those new ideas are not your own, they are only based or inspired by manifestations of your ideas. There is no consent to be given because those ideas were never yours to begin with.

If the world functioned like the current perception of copyright implies it should we would all be paying royalties to the descendants of the guy who invented the wheel and every fantasy author would need to get consent to publish his work from whoever would own the rights to Sumerian mythology. You tell me if any of that sounds reasonable to you.

 

[Morpheus Kitami]

And someone, at some point, might want to examine multiplayer FPS from the early 21st century, and he won't be able to get any first hand experience of some Battlefield games just because the publisher decided to shut it all down and it had always online DRM.

Technical issues can be solved, stupid laws are the main problem.

Rockstar can shut down GTA 3 reverse engineering GitHub repositories through DMCA, and doesn't need any proof that the code is illegal. Copyright length is being extended each time Mickey Mouse may become public domain. Congressman Sonny Bono even proposed that copyright should never expire - fortunately other Republicans do not have income from song royalties and had not supported him.

As long as the law is as it is, part of digital cultural heritage will be lost forever.

people who defend copyright laws:
extremely wealth attorneys for multi-billion dollar globohomo corporations
AND
people who have created nothing but are convinced they have an amazing idea and they don't want anyone to steal it when they (never) make it

I didn't know Sonny Bono was a lawyer. Explains my revulsion to his work.

 

[Sentinel]

Because fundamentally one cannot profit from an idea. You can only profit from a realization of that idea.

good thing you can't copyright ideas then. glad we agree.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

In 2021 copyright and patents are good because they prevent shitty ideas to spread.

 

[Azdul]

good thing you can't copyright ideas then. glad we agree.

You actually can't.

You can apply for patent protection and publish your idea, but the moment you do that - the clock starts ticking, and after 10-15 years everyone can use your idea. If you don't want to use idea in reasonable time frame - you're better off keeping it secret and not applying for patent.

The patent system has its problems, but at least expiration date is reasonable. Some companies build their technology exclusively on expired patents - as a way to protect against patent trolls.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Because fundamentally one cannot profit from an idea. You can only profit from a realization of that idea.

good thing you can't copyright ideas then. glad we agree.

In USA? Sure you can. You're confusing English with Legalese.
I'll refer to the American Heritage dictionary's definition of 'fictional':
https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=fictional

a. The category of literature, drama, film, or other creative work whose content is imagined and is not necessarily based on fact.

A fictional work is something that is imagined.

Consider Superman. He is a fictional character -- an idea, he does not exist. Yet, he is protected by US copyright laws. If you drew a comic strip depicting Superman performing typical Superman antics, you would be in violation of their copyright.
I am not referring to the act of selling their comic as yours(something I do disagree with -- the coupling of property rights to IP shouldn't have been done) or the act of tracing or somesuch. A unique comic featuring Superman on a unique adventure you have written, the fictional character -- an idea.
This was the basis for some of the earliest comic book copyright lawsuits(Wonderboy, Captain Marvel.) This is even a step further removed -- these were original characters that merely resembled Superman.


oh, and just a reminder that the original purpose of US copyright laws was to “stimulate artistic creativity for the general public good". It was never meant as some reward system for creators. Despite the courts repeating this over and over, nobody seems to care.

To this end, copyright assures authors the right to their original expression, but encourages others to build freely upon the ideas and information conveyed by a work.

The sole interest of the United States and the primary object in conferring the monopoly lie in the general benefits derived by the public from the labors of authors.

etc.,

 

[T. Reich]

Superman is a product, your argument is invalid.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Superman is a product, your argument is invalid.

A product is a finished comic book, Superman is a fictional character -- an imagination, an idea.

How do you sell Superman if it's a product? And I don't mean transferring IP rights(this would be a circular argument.)

 

[Ravielsk]

Superman is a product, your argument is invalid.

A printed out comic book featuring superman is a product, superman himself is just an idea. A fairly basic (and definitely not original) idea that besides the name should not even be copyrightable if any amount common sense was applied to copyright law.

You need to understand that the very idea of copyright came about because sometime around 1800s people noticed that bookstores were selling books by famous authors by the truckload but the authors themselves were poor as dirt. That was because before copyright laws were put in place there was nothing preventing one publisher from buying one copy of a book and then reproducing it ad nauseam, sometimes without even acknowledging the original author. So the original intent of these laws was to prevent people from selling the work of others without even getting their consent but it was meant exclusively for specific works. It did not protect some ephemeral concept of "intellectual property".

So within the original intent of the law you could not print and sell copies of "The dog of baskerville" without getting approval from the Conan Doyle but there was nothing preventing you from writing your own novel titled the "The hound of Baskville" featuring Hemlock Wolves. This is why you have so many similar looking and sounding characters from that era like Erquel Poirot that are effectively just carbon copies of Sherlock Holmes but Belgian. In other words the original purpose of the law was to prevent people from stealing specific products via copying, not to grant someone exclusive ownership of a specific character, logo or property.

Only over time was this whole concept twisted into covering entire IPs. So today you have a situation where as long as your idea is vaguely similar to some other idea you are open to lawsuits. You cannot make continuations of dead properties because there is the risk the current rights holder might object(even though he himself has no plans for the property itself). So you get stupid situation where Ion Maiden had to be renamed to Ion Fury because it vaguely resembles the name of a metal band. Metal Arms cannot get a fan made sequel because the rights are held by activision and bethesda cannot release the source code for Daggerfall because the game was made using a bunch of middleware software.

 

[T. Reich]

Superman has a brand name, a distinct recognisable logo (and variations of thereof), a distinct costume and colour palette.
He's very defined, once you see Superman you can't possibly confuse it (sic) with anything else.

Compare and contrast with the IDEA of a "superhero dude in tights and cape who can fly and is invincible and fights evil". That could LITERALLY be anything, and as comic book industry demonstrates, this IDEA can be used by anyone to create their own "superman", as long as it's sufficiently distinct from the existing creations.

Don't like Superman? Pick Captain Marvel, or Shazam, or Omni-Man, or Homelander, or anything from a legion of unimagainative derivatives existing on the market.

 

[Azdul]

bethesda cannot release the source code for Daggerfall because the game was made using a bunch of middleware software.

Bethesda cannot release source code for Morrowind due to middleware. Daggerfall source code was simply lost.

Middleware blocking source code releases happens quite often. id had to had to strip propertiary EAX sound libraries from open source Doom 3 and then replace fast shadows algorithm with slower solution - because fast algorithm was patented by Creative.

There is Youtube video talking about turning Solaris into OpenSolaris / Illumos:

In short - there is huge amount of work involved - unless open source release was planned from the very beginning.

 

[karoliner]

The game with the yummy vampire mommy is cracked too.

 

[HoboForEternity]

Laugh as suckers who still buys from these scumbags

 

[BlackAdderBG]

If you alt tab during muliplayer game it disconnects you from the match. This shit is ridiculous.

 

[Raghar]

Resident Evil Village crack completely fixes its stuttering issues

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/resident-evil-village-crack-completely-fixes-its-stuttering-issues/

Pirates saved RE8 users from stuttering. Now they are happy... As long as they would download cracked version and play cracked version. Imagine all hypocrites who are suffering stuttering because they don't want to use free pirated version...

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Isn't enough to merely do DRM checks when launching the game, they have to make sure they do it while performing regular video game activities.

 

[Ravielsk]

Resident Evil Village crack completely fixes its stuttering issues

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/resident-evil-village-crack-completely-fixes-its-stuttering-issues/

Pirates saved RE8 users from stuttering. Now they are happy... As long as they would download cracked version and play cracked version. Imagine all hypocrites who are suffering stuttering because they don't want to use free pirated version...

Its funny how history repeats itself. I remember how Assassins Creed 1 was basically unplayable on steam because it would stutter every 2 seconds due to the game trying to connect to a server Ubisoft shutdown years prior.

 

[karoliner]

Fuck i feel old because i remember that too.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Resident Evil Village crack completely fixes its stuttering issues

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/resident-evil-village-crack-completely-fixes-its-stuttering-issues/

Pirates saved RE8 users from stuttering. Now they are happy... As long as they would download cracked version and play cracked version. Imagine all hypocrites who are suffering stuttering because they don't want to use free pirated version...

But Denovo doesn't affect performance! Denovo told me so! /s
The fact that gaming customers didn't give Denovo the boot by now is just embarrassing. So much for vote with your wallet I get.

 

[flyingjohn]

Resident Evil Village crack completely fixes its stuttering issues

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/resident-evil-village-crack-completely-fixes-its-stuttering-issues/

Pirates saved RE8 users from stuttering. Now they are happy... As long as they would download cracked version and play cracked version. Imagine all hypocrites who are suffering stuttering because they don't want to use free pirated version...

But Denovo doesn't affect performance! Denovo told me so! /s
The fact that gaming customers didn't give Denovo the boot by now is just embarrassing. So much for vote with your wallet I get.

It is not denuvo.
It is capcom's own version of it on top of denuvo that is causing all the issues.
Denuvo mostly just kills frame consistency and loading on older hardware.