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Incline Nexus Now Disallowing Creators To Delete Their Mods (Aug 5 Cutoff Date Passed)

Lutte

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Mods are serious business.

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I think this guy broke an internet autist record. Even among the batshit you rarely see a single screech get that big.
 

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Better start quaking in your boots when people that have graduated from the wikipedia/reddit university of law, and don't have the financial resources to host an ftp server, start threatening with legal action.
 

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Oh look, the cheerleader's arrived. :hahano:

> Everyone who calls me out for my retarded takes is part of a secret cheerleader cabal

Nice 4D-Chess response, Cope-kowski :positive:

I note you still haven't answered the legal questions I posed in a previous post. Do you not know the answers? If not, why don't you do some research and aim for a little, y'know, self-improvement, instead of continuing to pursue an irrational and persistent pattern of belligerence and a seeming delight in your own ignorance?

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It's that time again, another Modding Drama Shit storm.

TL;DR
Nexus has released an announcement that Mod makers can no longer delete their mods after a 1 month grace period starting now. Queue up the collective screaming and whining from pre-madonna "artists" as they exclaim they will now be pulling down their shitty blendshapes and re-texture mods down. Oh Noes!


Nexus claims this is for their new ~collection~ feature. However we all know the truth. No more cringey ass "If Trump Wins you can't play my Civil War Mod every again!" bullshit. If any especially juicy posts come out of this I'll self-bump this thread.
Based.

Spergy autists are a fantastic resource for free mods, but their constant drama is beyond annoying.
 

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I side with nexus on this; it's a mod hosting site. What reason is there to *delete* a mod? Maybe archiving should be a thing, but there was this one mod I was looking for, I think, for DA:O and the maker was a narcissitic asshole who yeeted their mod off for a petty fucking reason. Not a tech one or a upgrade, just gone because they didn't like how people didn't use their niche mod? And couldn't be assed to host it somewhere?
 

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Hmmm.
https://www.nexusmods.com/news/14543

Coinciding with this completely new system, we are making long overdue changes to our packages and pricing. From August 3rd, Nexus Mods will only have two Premium Membership options available to purchase:
  • Monthly, billed at £4.99/month ($6.90/month*)
  • Yearly, billed at £49.99/year ($69.20/year*)
*USD based on current exchange rates and subject to change.

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Hmmm.
https://www.nexusmods.com/news/14543

Coinciding with this completely new system, we are making long overdue changes to our packages and pricing. From August 3rd, Nexus Mods will only have two Premium Membership options available to purchase:
  • Monthly, billed at £4.99/month ($6.90/month*)
  • Yearly, billed at £49.99/year ($69.20/year*)
*USD based on current exchange rates and subject to change.

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Hmmm.
https://www.nexusmods.com/news/14543

Coinciding with this completely new system, we are making long overdue changes to our packages and pricing. From August 3rd, Nexus Mods will only have two Premium Membership options available to purchase:
  • Monthly, billed at £4.99/month ($6.90/month*)
  • Yearly, billed at £49.99/year ($69.20/year*)
*USD based on current exchange rates and subject to change.

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Don't question anything - just consume subscription then get excited to pay next monthly installment. :lol:
 

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dont know if this got posted yet, but here is a perfect example of modder ego: https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/jkxigq/you_decide_what_happens_next_subreddit/
Couldn't be arsed to read everything but one of the first sentences really stuck with me in terms of arrogance :

I'll show the way with my ideas and Skyrim will be great soon.
This sentence heavily implies that 1/ skyrim is not great (I would agree with this) 2/ that those cunt modders are good enough to polish a turd into greatness (LOLNO)
I've never subscribed to this "modder will fix it" nonsense, you either like skyrim as is (as proved by the huge amount of consoletards who bought and loved the game before their platform started having mods) or you don't and it's not some random shmuck out modding this boring POS who are going to change the nature of the game itself.
 

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Stokowski tell me, you proponent of "creators should be able to pull down everything they made at any point", what you think about the following bit from the Cirsova submission guidelines. It's a classic sword and sorcery magazine that publishes fantasy and sci-fi adventure short stories, and I plan to submit something to it in the next open submission period.

What rights are you buying?

Global first print and digital publication rights (including audio); you’ll be giving Cirsova the exclusive rights to publish and use the purchased material prior to and for six months following the publication of those materials. After that period, Cirsova will retain the right to publish and sell the purchased materials non-exclusively in the collected format (i.e. the anthology will remain available in print and electronic format as initially offered, however the materials will not be repackaged and resold). Cirsova will have the right to use your name and portion or whole of the material to promote the work. During the period of exclusivity, you agree to refrain from publishing the purchased material in whole or in part without prior consent. The exception to this exclusivity is if a piece is selected for inclusion in a Best of the Year collection or as a part of an awards packet.

“Cirsova will retain the right to publish and sell the purchased materials non-exclusively in the collected format (i.e. the anthology will remain available in print and electronic format as initially offered, however the materials will not be repackaged and resold). ” what exactly does this mean?

Cirsova Publishing will keep the issue containing your story in print via Print on Demand and available digitally as an eBook on various platforms. Cirsova Publishing will not sell your story individually or as part of a different anthology without prior arrangements with the author. While Cirsova will keep the collection featuring your story in print, after our exclusivity period has ended, you will be able to resell the story to another outlet or publish it independently. Several Cirsova Authors have resold their stories to Starship Sofa [a podcast that produces audio versions of short SFF] and/or released anthologies of their works containing stories previously published in Cirsova.

So what's your stance on this extremely standard point, that pretty much every magazine and anthology published in the last 200 years had in their publishing contracts?

They are buying the rights to your story. You can still resell it elsewhere after the six months exclusivity has expired, but that magazine has the right to sell print and electronic copies of the magazine issue containing your story in perpetuity.
They will never make any changes to your story, or reprint it in a different book - but they can reprint and sell the magazine issue in perpetuity. Even 500 years from now. Forever.

The Nexus now added a similar point to their terms of use. By submitting a mod to the Nexus, you agree that they will have the right to keep that download link up in perpetuity. They will not change your mod. They will not edit its contents. But they will forever and always distribute it in the form that you originally submitted it, until the heat death of the universe.

The fact that the Nexus doesn't pay you for it doesn't matter. The terms of use clearly state their modus operandi. If you're pissed at that, you probably shouldn't do anything creative whatsoever, because never in the history of publishing has there ever been a right to take down your own work as a standard procedure.
 

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because never in the history of publishing has there ever been a right to take down your own work as a standard procedure.

The real world has never catered to the schizophrenics. I mean, for what purpose exactly should this even be a viable procedure? when has a good reason been pushed forward other than "people have made meany comments about my stuff so now I want it taken down" and some other thin skinned bullshit. Imagine a book author pulling that one and asking for physical removal from inventories all around the world. Literal child tantrum.

Grow up faggots.
 

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Hmmm.
https://www.nexusmods.com/news/14543

Coinciding with this completely new system, we are making long overdue changes to our packages and pricing. From August 3rd, Nexus Mods will only have two Premium Membership options available to purchase:
  • Monthly, billed at £4.99/month ($6.90/month*)
  • Yearly, billed at £49.99/year ($69.20/year*)
*USD based on current exchange rates and subject to change.

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we have also made the difficult decision to remove the Lifetime Premium Membership (membership that never expires) as a purchasing option.

:keepmyjewgold:

And lifetime premium membership costs 50 pounds currently, which means with new pricing that'll only net you 10 months.
 

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dont know if this got posted yet, but here is a perfect example of modder ego: https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/jkxigq/you_decide_what_happens_next_subreddit/
Couldn't be arsed to read everything but one of the first sentences really stuck with me in terms of arrogance :

I'll show the way with my ideas and Skyrim will be great soon.
This sentence heavily implies that 1/ skyrim is not great (I would agree with this) 2/ that those cunt modders are good enough to polish a turd into greatness (LOLNO)
I've never subscribed to this "modder will fix it" nonsense, you either like skyrim as is (as proved by the huge amount of consoletards who bought and loved the game before their platform started having mods) or you don't and it's not some random shmuck out modding this boring POS who are going to change the nature of the game itself.

Putting aside his blatant narcissism for the moment, the problem with this guy's thesis is he thinks everyone, like him, is trying to "fix" skyrim.

Overwhelming evidence suggests retards are not just content with skyrim, they actually over the moon with it.

Secondary to this, is that he thinks the mod community is invested in improving the gameplay. They are not.

Requiem ostensibly fixes large swathes of Skryim's problems as an rpg, and yet it only has ~400k downloads and ~34k endorsements. The most popular mods are nudity and mods that make the npcs look like either supermodels ready for a photoshoot, or anime characters. Literally a pack of modern salon hair stylings is more popular than any gameplay mod. The closet thing to a gameplay overhaul in the top files is frostfall, a "survival" (bar management) mod that is about one step removed from other reddit tier favorites, such as resource collection and building blocks.

The idiot's problems are: 1. he thought there was a community of people trying to "fix" the game and 2. that they would suck his dick like they do with various other morons
 

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By the by, does anyone think a single one of these tantrum chucking nerds will do something productive with the nexodus?

Nexus is shit if you arent paying them money - this is a perfect opportunity for someone to lead the way on a competitor to the nexus. Some enterprising fellow who thinks hes all about "community" could even write a program that downloads nexus mods to google drive and then list these links on his website.
 

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Morrowind modders are pretty chill these days. You'll see that they typically want attribution but nobody's pulling their mods anymore. A lot of the more active modders ascribe to Wrye's point of view. Not all, but nothing like in the long gone days of planet elder scrolls:

http://wryemusings.com/Cathedral vs. Parlor.html

All the MW modders recognize each others stuff anyway, there's absolutely no glory in modding that game (maybe every ten years when TR release a major update), and moving to small servers made them more collaborative I think.
Huh. That sounds an awful lot like Eric S. Raymond's musings on The Cathedral and the Bazaar about Linux and the Open Source community (http://catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/) but he's using a curiously different definition of "Cathedral". In ESR's view the Cathedral is the centralized top-down development model whereas the Bazaar is a ground-up development model where you look through loads of conflicting submissions and ideas that are just offered to you in order to make something better. But Wrye is using Cathedral to represent some kind of collaborative pursuit of perfection.

Honestly, Wrye doesn't sound like he has it exactly right either. I get what he means by the parlor view, but when it comes to cathedral development in the modding community it's obvious that not everyone will agree on what the perfect game is or ought to be. Many people are not even out to create some kind of idealized perfect vision of the game. And of those who do want to create a perfect version of the game, you get those prima donna types who insist you have to run their mods their way or not at all.

Wrye's open modding license stuff also sounds shitty, leaving doors open for people to specifically deny interoperability among mods. I'm generally of the persuasion that if you make a mod people should be free to do whatever the fuck they want with it and while you can raise a stink if you think they are fucking shit up, you shouldn't get all fucking legal about any of this crap or try to compel people to do things your way.

I must remember the next time I intend to break the law to give 30 days notice, and then I'll be immune from getting into trouble.

You can shit on modders all you want. (Except loverslab modders because they'd probably enjoy it.) But you can't (legally) assert de facto ownership of their work. No way. No how.

Read Nexus ToS.

Nexus Terms of Service said:
User-submitted Content
User-submitted content includes all data submitted to our services by a Nexus Mods user. Nexus Mods does not claim any ownership of your content. By submitting content to our services, you are granting an infinite, non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free license for Nexus Mods to store, distribute, copy or reproduce, edit, translate, reformat, publicly display, or perform the submitted content, at our discretion.
You didn't give up ownership of your content but you are granting them basically an infinitely recurring license to do whatever the fuck they want with it.

Seethe.
It's the right way to do it, honestly. Modders can be such fucking drama queens that this one sentence will save you a lot of headaches when a retard gets so anally devastated he tries to go legal on your ass. Providing a largely indiscriminate mass mod-hosting service without that doesn't seem worth the trouble. Mod DB ToU has that line too:

Mod DB Terms of Use said:
By posting Content to the Service, you grant us a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to use, copy, reproduce, process, adapt, modify, publish, transmit, display and distribute such Content in any and all media or distribution methods (now known or later developed). This license authorizes us to make your Content available worldwide. You agree that this license includes the right for DBolical Pty Ltd to provide, promote, and improve the Services and to make Content submitted to or through the Service available to other companies, organizations or individuals for the syndication, broadcast, distribution, promotion or publication of such Content on other media and services, subject to our terms and conditions for such Content use.

Actually moddb's ToU is a lot more fucking insane, including this beauty of a clause:

Mod DB's Terms of Use said:
Further, you warrant that:
  1. the Content will not cause you or us to breach any law, regulation, rule, code or other legal obligation;
  2. the Content will not or could not be reasonably considered to be obscene, inappropriate, defamatory, disparaging, indecent, seditious, offensive, pornographic, threatening, abusive, liable to incite racial hatred, discriminatory, blasphemous, encourage gambling, in breach of confidence or in breach of privacy;
  3. the Content will not be advertising of any kind;
  4. the Content does not contain software viruses or any other computer code, files, or programs designed to interrupt, destroy, or limit the functionality of any computer software, hardware or telecommunications equipment; and
  5. the Content does not bring us or the Service into disrepute.
A lot of that shit is poorly worded and #2 and #5 is totally subjective nonsense.
 
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