Are we an RPG Discussion website or a Free Speech website?

[Fedora Master]

The real issue is that the admins are shitting their panties. The real solution is to delete this entire website, microwave the hard drives, delete all backups and databases beyond recovery, and sell the domain name to some Indian shovelware company.

It's "just a hobby", after all, and "not a hill to die on", as they said.

If DU wants to be safe from legal issues that is the only solution.

 

[Fluent]

Hey guys. Just my 2 cents here. DarkUnderlord , if I were you i would split the site asap. Add moderation to the RPG side BEFORE it becomes a problem. Reason being, the RPG discussion here can be so good, it's not worth it to have the site entirely shut down over some people who want to use racial slurs and talk about politics all day. They can play at the PoliticalCodex. I'm sure that place would be shut down eventually anyway if some sort of moderation isn't enforced there, so regardless of that, at least you'd save the important stuff - the RPG discussion.

That said, I care about all u guys here. But if the site isn't split then we're just going to lose the whole thing in time. Clean up the RPG side and watch this place flourish because of sensible moderation. Developers will come here more, more great discussions will be had. Keep the site as-is and the whole thing gets flushed eventually when the government finds it. Also, I know it seems scary, oh no, the site is going to CHANGE! Change can be scary sometimes, but once the dust settles u see it's better off with the change. People will adapt. It may be quite a blowup at the time but it will eventually calm down. When it does u'll once again have the best RPG site around, without the racist part of things hanging a dark cloud over it.

Also, I'm not judging anyone here. If u want to be a racist that's fine. But this site was founded on RPGs and RPG discussion. U guys can play at the PolCodex and have fun there. I don't mean to disparage anyone with this post either, I do cherish everyone I've come into contact with here. But it's a move that needs to be made before it's too late. IMO.

 

[Tacgnol]

Hey guys. Just my 2 cents here. DarkUnderlord , if I were you i would split the site asap. Add moderation to the RPG side BEFORE it becomes a problem. Reason being, the RPG discussion here can be so good, it's not worth it to have the site entirely shut down over some people who want to use racial slurs and talk about politics all day. They can play at the PoliticalCodex. I'm sure that place would be shut down eventually anyway if some sort of moderation isn't enforced there, so regardless of that, at least you'd save the important stuff - the RPG discussion.

That said, I care about all u guys here. But if the site isn't split then we're just going to lose the whole thing in time. Clean up the RPG side and watch this place flourish because of sensible moderation. Developers will come here more, more great discussions will be had. Keep the site as-is and the whole thing gets flushed eventually when the government finds it. Also, I know it seems scary, oh no, the site is going to CHANGE! Change can be scary sometimes, but once the dust settles u see it's better off with the change. People will adapt. It may be quite a blowup at the time but it will eventually calm down. When it does u'll once again have the best RPG site around, without the racist part of things hanging a dark cloud over it.

Also, I'm not judging anyone here. If u want to be a racist that's fine. But this site was founded on RPGs and RPG discussion. U guys can play at the PolCodex and have fun there. I don't mean to disparage anyone with this post either, I do cherish everyone I've come into contact with here. But it's a move that needs to be made before it's too late. IMO.

I said this last time this topic came up, but what exactly does splitting the site entail.

What is "political" discussion in the context of games? Last time this question was asked we got a hundred different responses. People clearly have very different opinions on what is "political" in game discussions.

Are people suddenly unable to criticise the quality of writing or the character designs? Or does the Codex continue to allow the discussion of SJW/woke topics in relation to games in the gaming drama forum.

I guarantee you, if the only topic people are allowed to discuss is cold hard game mechanics because writing, character design etc all becomes too "spicy", you might as well just shut down the site anyway. What kind of moderation will go into tone? Will people be allowed to get into heated discussions, or is that too spicy for Australian defamation rules?

People who just say split the site without asking what the split would actually entail have not put enough thought into things.

 

[Ontopoly]

What is "political" discussion in the context of games? Last time this question was asked we got a hundred different responses. People clearly have very different opinions on what is "political" in game discussions.

I think he means the specific threads about politics and sub forums about and only about politics. You can never separate politics from everything and like you said, you can't talk about story/characters without getting political in some capacity.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

we all know the gaming one will become over-moderated and end up dead within a year

 

[Ehrenmann]

Honestly I would rather see Codex transform into one free speech site rather than two different ones. Moderation of RPG discussion may sound good but at the end of the day you can't enforce a good discussion by rules. It occurs naturally.

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

I can't wait to post on a fully """depoliticized""" RPG-only forum where you get banned for problematic and sexist posts like "Witcher 4 sucks because they make you play as a Geralt-replacement Mary Sue thot". Such bigotry cannot be allowed on the new, FDA-approved, NWO-compliant, good global citizen Codex.

 

[Don Peste]

Sounds like it's basically over then. What I don't understand though, removing GD, curtailing "free speech", so we can have our precious RPG discussions - what does that even mean?

Is it suddenly going to be a Eurogamer like forum, where it's enough to mention something negative about a woman or god forbid non-white character to get you timed-out?

well, the Eurogamer forums are shutting down, so it looks like it working really well for them

rockpapershotgun forums are closing too: https://forum.rockpapershotgun.com/t/closing-the-rps-forum/35615
They don't even know who the guy who posted the announcement is.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

So, as I understand it:
Australia is cracking down on free speech, as is America. Meaning you can't host the server in either country. Unsurprising but not exactly a new development. Solution: Host the site in some third world hellhole where nobody cares. That's still very much possible, because plenty of other sites do exactly that.
Alternative: Delete GD, ban foul language, hope you're not going to get fucked on some other technicality. Easier but hardly a good solution for anyone involved and also still dangerous to the owner of the site.

I find it odd that DU is making these discoveries now when other sites have had to put up with the same possibilities of legal trouble long before.

DarkUnderlord I don't know where you got the idea from that anyone here expects you to "die on a hill" over anything. What "we" might expect is that you will at least put up token resistance to any foreign inquiry if it should happen. So far it has not. Again, this is nothing new, other sites have done exactly that. You very much should read up on the legal framework of things, even though you feel like it is too much work. Getting fucked over because of a website that allows wrongthink should come as no surprise to anyone.

e: The other thing is - Who here really spouted nothing but "I HATE NAGGERS SO MUCH OH MY GOD ALL NAGGERS MUST HANG!!!" constantly? There's far worse statements in GD - I should know because I made some of 'em - yet the hangup seems to be the word for negroes?

As I understand it, it's not so much the fear of the site going down, but the fear that the sociopathic twitter police that currently pollute the land of the gun-free downunder might one day kick down DU's door because someone spoke ill of George Floyd's banana dance, or blasphemed against trannydom and pedophiles in general.

And frankly, protecting against that is probably as simple as incorporating overseas and getting DarkUnderlord's name hidden (get an attorney and get him to find you a registered agent and help you incorporate properly).
https://www.inclegal.com/incorporating-in-delaware/

If you want to go further and make the Codex resistant to site takedowns, then simply hosting it in Ukraine or some other shi--er...fine country with free speech should be enough for now.

Alternative: Delete GD, ban foul language, hope you're not going to get fucked on some other technicality. Easier but hardly a good solution for anyone involved and also still dangerous to the owner of the site.

In this case, most of the interesting people would leave the site - either via a ban or through just being bored. It would become filled with normies at best or LGBTard cultists at worst - and we already one or two of those as mods. I can't see many of those people left shelling out for hosting costs, the site having lost everything that made it unique at that point. Dead within a year, yeah.

 

[Owlish]

I can't wait to post on a fully """depoliticized""" RPG-only forum where you get banned for problematic and sexist posts like "Witcher 4 sucks because they make you play as a Geralt-replacement Mary Sue thot". Such bigotry cannot be allowed on the new, FDA-approved, NWO-compliant, good global citizen Codex.

Yid Duke of Hymietown unironically agrees with this statement.

 

[Parsimonious cook]

And frankly, protecting against that is probably as simple as incorporating overseas and getting DarkUnderlord's name hidden (get an attorney and get him to find you a registered agent and help you incorporate properly).
https://www.inclegal.com/incorporating-in-delaware/

In any case, DU dont omit to consult a lawyer (assuming you didnt do that up until now) before you make any big decisions here. If you cant afford a decent one, feel free to start a fundraising campaign on Codex, I will send you some of my hard earned eastern European cash.

 

[Lutte]

In this case, most of the interesting people would leave the site - either via a ban or through just being bored. It would become filled with normies at best or LGBTard cultists at worst - and we already one or two of those as mods.

It'll just die. Most sjws don't care about forums: see rpgwatch, which is the "sanitized" alternative to the codex. The level of activity there is such that after the first 5 threads of any given subforum, the last replies date back to months ago. The few leftards that would be left on the dex after a purge wouldn't be enough to sustain a community, they might make an active trannycord though because that's what all the homosexuals do, trannycords, subplebbits.

 

[Riddler]

Possible "middle ground" solution:

Rolling temporary bans of nono-words whenever one gains popularity with tourettes crowd. If people start spamming nigger, then do a 3-6 month ban of the word.

This solves the issue of ever increasing regulations since the issue mostly is with edgelords finding a new favourite slur rather than the specific words themselves. It also allows DarkUnderlord to fuck with users.

The retards don't necessarily deserve to be banned but getting their shit pushed in occasionally is probably a good thing. For instance, it would have been way more fun banning Desiderius from the Owlcat forum than a straight up ban.

But maybe that isn't enough to avoid the eye of sauron.

 

[Owlish]

Possible "middle ground" solution:

Rolling temporary bans of nono-words whenever one gains popularity with tourettes crowd. If people start spamming nigger, then do a 3-6 month ban of the word.

This solves the issue of ever increasing regulations since the issue mostly is with edgelords finding a new favourite slur rather than the specific words themselves. It also allows DarkUnderlord to fuck with users.

The retards don't necessarily deserve to be banned but getting their shit pushed in occasionally is probably a good thing. For instance, it would have been way more fun banning Desiderius from the Owlcat forum than a straight up ban.

But maybe that isn't enough.

The list of gaymer words for n iggers is inexhaustible. For instance my favorite is "moon cricket" followed by "jigaboo."

New ones spring up every day like rigger or jogger.

 

[laclongquan]

Game-only = Absolute no politic = Absolute no politic that "we" dont like. See? Censorship right there.

So yeah, Free Speech is more important than game-only.

 

[Young_Hollow]

Smash this oppressive binary and the hetro-patriarchal superstructure that established it! Forums are a spectrum and there are plenty of brave folks who don't conform to your hateful, cis-normative and derogatory division into ''RPG Discussion'' and ''Freeze Peach'', both of which are inherently problematic in the first place. This forum and all of the internet was founded 'clap' by 'clap' muslim black obese ppl 'clap' and its time 'clap' that they 'clap' reclaim it. Ya'll need to change dis poll options to be more inclusive is wat im sayin cuz otherwise i ain't castin no vote.

 

[Riddler]

Possible "middle ground" solution:

Rolling temporary bans of nono-words whenever one gains popularity with tourettes crowd. If people start spamming nigger, then do a 3-6 month ban of the word.

This solves the issue of ever increasing regulations since the issue mostly is with edgelords finding a new favourite slur rather than the specific words themselves. It also allows DarkUnderlord to fuck with users.

The retards don't necessarily deserve to be banned but getting their shit pushed in occasionally is probably a good thing. For instance, it would have been way more fun banning Desiderius from the Owlcat forum than a straight up ban.

But maybe that isn't enough.

The list of gaymer words for n iggers is inexhaustible. For instance my favorite is "moon cricket" followed by "jigaboo."

New ones spring up every day like rigger or jogger.

That is more fun than people just screaming nigger from the rooftops. At least it forces some creativity.

 

[Grauken]

Laws don't follow common sense logic, they follow their own logic, he's the owner, they can get him for that

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

I disagree. We have almost two decades of RPGPosting history. There's no "dodgy cover story". GD is also blocked so its far easier for media and their ilk to see the RPG sections than ever looking at GD.

I agree. Let us continue to maintain the dodgy cover story.

We're not a crazy nazi forum

Of course we aren't. Infiintron is a Jew! One of our moderators is even a tranny! And whatever Scruffy is, he's some kind of semi-liberal person or another.

We're really more of a general crazy forum than a particularly nazi one. Like a digital insane asylum without the bars.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Laws don't follow common sense logic, they follow their own logic, he's the owner, they can get him for that

Is he the owner, though? Like, how do you prove that? What if he technically weren't the owner anymore? What if Infinitron were? Or Crispy? They wouldn't even need passwords or access, just the legal ownership to further proxy DU.

edit: he'd still be part of the staff though, so he'd need to take steps to become anonymous in that respect. But once the server and company are out of the country, how do they subpoena his user info?

 

[Tacgnol]

Lady Error and The Brazilian Slaughter both make a good point.

Can people outside Australia make use of Australian defamation laws to potentially get the Codex into trouble?

If the answer is no, then the obvious answer would be to just block all Australian IPs.

This really seems like something an Aus lawyer should be consulted upon.

Hell have a fundraiser to raise the cost of legal advice if cost is the prohibitive factor. I can't imagine a lawyer would charge that much purely for advice/information.

 

[A horse of course]

DU can't hide

 

[Kruno]

If you want to be "free speech", that's fine. But you can damn well put your name next to it and stand by what you said.

I do!

 

[fantadomat]

Don't care if he rebrand it and tries to make money of it. As long as he leaves the rpg forum intact.

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[bionicman]

If DarkUnderlord blocks all Australian IPs, then how will he be able to access his own site?