Dark Sun: Shattered Lands is fucking great

[Ol' Willy]

I didn't expect political talk in DS thread. I didn't want political talk in DS thread. But we haven't started it. They did

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

Gents, any unofficial patches/mids mandatory for both games?

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Nothing mandatory but there are these!

wonder if these games can be modded.

 

[The Avatar]

Wait why is Dark Sun racist? It doesn't even have half-orcs. Just cannibalistic halflings and weird bug people.

 

[Cryomancer]

Wait why is Dark Sun racist? It doesn't even have half-orcs. Just cannibalistic halflings and weird bug people.

SJW see racism on everything, even on math... Probably the fact that fantasy races exists on the setting is enough to consider it racist. Or the fact that Muls can only exists via slavery cuz no woman want to date a manlet dwarf , i honestly don't know.

 

[AdolfSatan]

I don't recall ever writing any of this, but I agree.

There can be only one Owyn! I challenge you to a staff-off. Wait, that came out wrong.

My staff is hard and ready, come at me fagget

Jk we both know that the kind of man to use an Owyn avatar is not the one that'd fight about it.

 

[Trithne]

Wait why is Dark Sun racist? It doesn't even have half-orcs. Just cannibalistic halflings and weird bug people.

Because they expect their media to all be on the level of a Saturday morning cartoon. Where the evil is milquetoast and never really does anything.

The existence of slavery in the setting makes it fascist, even if most games involve escaped slaves fighting to free others or what have you.

It follows from there that since the setting is clearly fascist, anyone who likes it is a fascist by association. Therefore, they are also racist and sexist, and the game must be too.

Now, enough about the politics of idiots.

Ol' Willy - what were the classes of the Halflings? Interested to know.

 

[Cryomancer]

Because they expect their media to all be on the level of a Saturday morning cartoon. Where the evil is milquetoast and never really does anything.

The existence of slavery in the setting makes it fascist, even if most games involve escaped slaves fighting to free others or what have you.

Well said. On 3e, I played a lv 12 preserver wizard focused on alteration wanting to research and develop a spell to turn infertile land into fertile land, transform sand into water and to develop constructs to replace the slave labor, his goal was to turn Athas into Eberron. This was not accomplished since was just a one shot game when most of the players of the group could't play and only would be accomplished on the end stages of a campaign if we had continued playing.

What makes interesting Dark Sun, is that is not Good VS Evil. Is a world DESTROYED and ruled by epic level Psions/Defiler casters who rebelled against their master who wanted to use then to commit genocide. The evil already won in that world. Now, is how to deal with tyranny and the consequences of having the world in a near dead stage due the use of defiling magic. In the cities, you are exposed to a absolute tyranny where a templar can accuse you of a crime and sentence you to slavery. Outside of city states, is a free for all, raiders, any village growing a little is attacked cuz he starts to become a treat to the sorcerer king and if you finally see a forest, don't enter. Unless you can deal with cannibal hobbits halflings. The world is tyrannical like hell in city states and chaotic evil like abyss outside of the city states.

 

[Ol' Willy]

what were the classes of the Halflings? Interested to know.

Fighter-Thief, Fighter-Cleric and two Fighter-Druids

 

[JarlFrank]

it's these companies who are the racists since they e.g can say orcs can be mistaken for black people and that's "problematic". why would they do the comparison in the first place unless you draw some racist conclusions..
can't wait for 2025 RPG's where you can't have negative traits, where you can't have a specific gender or race, and it's all these companies we used to love who's pushing the agenda, making sure they ruin the genre as a whole, just like the comic industry, just like the movie industry.. then they can complain "no one is buying!! HOW is this POSSIBLE?" stupid fucks.

Good thing I give zero shits about anything WotC puts out these days. The newest D&D edition I play in my groups is 3.5, and sometimes we fall back to 2E.

The cool thing about pen and paper systems is that they provide infinite content by virtue of your DM making up new campaigns with the existing ruleset, you NEVER have to "upgrade" to the latest edition!

 

[Cael]

what were the classes of the Halflings? Interested to know.

Fighter-Thief, Fighter-Cleric and two Fighter-Druids

Why Cleric? Isn't Druid superior in every way?

 

[Trithne]

what were the classes of the Halflings? Interested to know.

Fighter-Thief, Fighter-Cleric and two Fighter-Druids

Why Cleric? Isn't Druid superior in every way?

Druid doesn't get turn undead.

 

[Cael]

what were the classes of the Halflings? Interested to know.

Fighter-Thief, Fighter-Cleric and two Fighter-Druids

Why Cleric? Isn't Druid superior in every way?

Druid doesn't get turn undead.

They get full casting in the cosmos sphere instead, which is better, I believe.

 

[Ol' Willy]

Druid doesn't get turn undead.

Exactly this reason

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Druid doesn't get turn undead.

Exactly this reason

Don't turn, burn.

 

[Cryomancer]

Why turn undead when you can have a half giant gladiator? This guys are living siege weapons.

 

[Ol' Willy]

Pure melee in DS is boring; I did four half-giants run (no Gladiator, though) and you just smash people around

 

[Cael]

Druid doesn't get turn undead.

Exactly this reason

I've never used Turn Undead in any of my runs in any DnD game format. I just beat the tar out of them. This is probably a legacy of the Gold Box games where you don't get XP for using Turn Undead.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Pure melee in DS is boring;

That's no excuse bruv.

 

[Fluent]

Hey guys! Quick question about importing characters into Wake Of The Ravager. Ok, so I have a postgame save in Shattered Lands, but

Spoiler

3 of my party members died in the last battle, and I got the Dragonbane Sword after the fight that i'd like to have. So, is there a way to somehow import one character from the postgame save with the sword and then import a previous save where the characters are alive? Or some trick to get a save with all characters intact and with the +4 sword?

. Open to any ideas or character hacks or what have u, anything that can accomplish this before i start WotR. Thanks!

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

Dead characters: In your "current" save, move over any important items the character has acquired recently, then drop them from your party. Save. Then reload an older save where they're alive. Drop them, but don't save. Load your new/current save back up, and re-add the character to your party. The result should be that you get a slightly older and less experienced version of the formerly-dead character.

in balkazars caves there should be a resurrection room, if you did the quests there, so you should be able to go there and rez dead party members.

 

[Fluent]

in balkazars caves there should be a resurrection room, if you did the quests there, so you should be able to go there and rez dead party members.

Thanks VentilatorOfDoom ! Can you explain the quoted text u posted more? Do I do that in Dark Sun 1 or 2? Hopefully that applies to Dark Sun 1 because I don't have a previous save in Dark Sun 2 to go back to...

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

in balkazars caves there should be a resurrection room, if you did the quests there, so you should be able to go there and rez dead party members.

Thanks VentilatorOfDoom ! Can you explain the quoted text u posted more? Do I do that in Dark Sun 1 or 2? Hopefully that applies to Dark Sun 1 because I don't have a previous save in Dark Sun 2 to go back to...

Balkazar is the enemy boss in the wyrm area (that area with the magera slaves). It's in Shattered Lands.

 

[Fluent]

Balkazar is the enemy boss in the wyrm area (that area with the magera slaves). It's in Shattered Lands.

i don't know where that is. Can u give me some directions please?

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

Balkazar is the enemy boss in the wyrm area (that area with the magera slaves). It's in Shattered Lands.

i don't know where that is. Can u give me some directions please?

use this to find the area
http://www.thecomputershow.com/computershow/walkthroughs/darksun1.htm#owyrm