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[Sharpedge]

Allow me to introduce you to that abomination I was talking about

Solo builds aren't for normal play.

I know they aren't, but this is the type of build that would set off our recently departed forum member.

 

[Shadenuat]

It also feeds into wrong perception that solo is harder and you need to be good at it, while reality is backwards: overleveling gives you flat math advantage over 90% of content in such games, thus making most content trivial, aside from some places developers specifically intended for you to have multiple party members.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

Allow me to introduce you to that abomination I was talking about.

I would need to go digging through his twitch channel history to find the actual build though. If I remember correctly though it has 6 dips.

I think I need an adult to explain to me what the actual fuck is happening in this video.

 

[Sharpedge]

It also feeds into wrong perception that solo is harder and you need to be good at it, while reality is backwards: overleveling gives you flat math advantage over 90% of content in such games, thus making most content trivial, aside from some places developers specifically intended for you to have multiple party members.

Having played both in Wrath, I found Solo to be harder up until the start of A3. That is a significant chunk of the game where having a party makes the game easier. A4 and A5 are about as easy both with and without a party, but its far more convenient having to only manage 1 character so I prefer solo there as well.

 

[NJClaw]

Allow me to introduce you to that abomination I was talking about.

I would need to go digging through his twitch channel history to find the actual build though. If I remember correctly though it has 6 dips.

I think I need an adult to explain to me what the actual fuck is happening in this video.

This guy is using 4 Geniekind to trigger Elemental Barrage so he clearly is gay. Don't investigate further.

It also feeds into wrong perception that solo is harder and you need to be good at it, while reality is backwards: overleveling gives you flat math advantage over 90% of content in such games, thus making most content trivial, aside from some places developers specifically intended for you to have multiple party members.

Having played both in Wrath, I found Solo to be harder up until the start of A3. That is a significant chunk of the game where having a party makes the game easier. A4 and A5 are about as easy both with and without a party, but its far more convenient having to only manage 1 character so I prefer solo there as well.

Every day that goes by without you getting a "Resident Solo Expert" tag is a crime and, quite frankly, a shame. As soon as I manage to get Lacrymas his "Undead Sex Expert" tag, I'll start petitioning for yours as well.

 

[Shadenuat]

Having played both in Wrath, I found Solo to be harder up until the start of A3. That is a significant chunk of the game where having a party makes the game easier. A4 and A5 are about as easy both with and without a party, but its far more convenient having to only manage 1 character so I prefer solo there as well.

Wrath should be trick(ier) because you reach level cap faster. And I guess you won't hit every buff (but then, mythics). PKM, PoE, BG, I don't think are hard for soloing.

I find 6 low level characters massively more interesting and challenging than overleveling + exploiting game turning it all into some banality.

 

[ga♥]

BG1/BG2 are easier solo than with a party.

BG2 + ascension is easier with a party than solo (actually impossible solo).

 

[Bohrain]

Got my save borked yesterday. Quickloaded when a fight was going bad in Ivory Sanctum. When I loaded, for some reason the guardian mob came there with the load. As in it loaded the party in the position they were when I saved, but the enemy from an unexplored room was also there. I went to the chamber where it spawned and another one spawned. Got double the loot, but then I noticed the trap there didn't stop spewing negative energy. And all the scripting is borked, the boss doesn't initiate combat or dialogue when I go to the lab. My last manual save was from 12 hours ago, I fucked around too long so the autosaves and quicksaves got overwritten.

 

[Shadenuat]

BG1/BG2 are easier solo than with a party.

Most RPG classics collapse to solo in some sort of degenerate way. Like Wiz8 fairy ninja grinding etc.

For me solo players are in the same basket with sorc players and speedrunners, if you know what I mean.

 

[Shaki]

Also I don't recall there being so many fucking puzzle in king maker(and not as tedious). So who the fuck asked for more puzzles in the game? Can we find them and kick them in the nuts?

I liked the puzzles themselves, especially the ones from that Heart of Mystery quest, they actually required some thinking and not just usual bruteforcing by clicking randomly for 5 minutes. However the UI was shit, so that could be improved.

 

[smaug]

Got my save borked yesterday. Quickloaded when a fight was going bad in Ivory Sanctum. When I loaded, for some reason the guardian mob came there with the load. As in it loaded the party in the position they were when I saved, but the enemy from an unexplored room was also there. I went to the chamber where it spawned and another one spawned. Got double the loot, but then I noticed the trap there didn't stop spewing negative energy. And all the scripting is borked, the boss doesn't initiate combat or dialogue when I go to the lab. My last manual save was from 12 hours ago, I fucked around too long so the autosaves and quicksaves got overwritten.

You gotta do the deed sooner or later.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

Why the rocks in Ivory Sanctum are named.. Citizen lol

 

[Mortmal]

never sacrifice spell progression bros. its the best.

Usually yes, but that sorcerer-EK dragon disciple build you should rather see than a self buffing martial with lich merge . Dont think you can reach that high AC with anything else.
A simple 20 crusader/cleric + merging angel is probably as good for melee , i am testing one, and its rare you have to reload.

 

[Cryomancer]

never sacrifice spell progression bros. its the best.

Spell knowledge is the most important thing. Strongly agreed.

 

[Jermu]

never sacrifice spell progression bros. its the best.

Usually yes, but that sorcerer-EK dragon disciple build you should rather see than a self buffing martial with lich merge . Dont think you can reach that high AC with anything else.
A simple 20 crusader/cleric + merging angel is probably as good for melee , i am testing one, and its rare you have to reload.

Did my first playthrough on pure crusader angel and even when my attributes were more focused on melee bolt/storm of justice was superior to melee (core difficulty). Ridiculous dmg and aoe.

 

[Sharpedge]

Having played both in Wrath, I found Solo to be harder up until the start of A3. That is a significant chunk of the game where having a party makes the game easier. A4 and A5 are about as easy both with and without a party, but its far more convenient having to only manage 1 character so I prefer solo there as well.

Wrath should be trick(ier) because you reach level cap faster. And I guess you won't hit every buff (but then, mythics). PKM, PoE, BG, I don't think are hard for soloing.

I find 6 low level characters massively more interesting and challenging than overleveling + exploiting game turning it all into some banality.

Act 1 is brutal solo on unfair, forcing you to rely on guerilla tactics to make any progress. The final fight in A1 being particularly painful to do. A2 is not much better, although amusingly enough the hardest quest to do there would be Sosiel's Companion quest, if you decide to try doing it. You automatically lose if he dies and in the final room he goes charging in and stands in the middle of a pack of skeletons. Once you get into A3 you get so much power from your mythic path+just out leveling enemies that it then does switch in favor of solo over group play.

BG2 + ascension is easier with a party than solo (actually impossible solo).

Its not impossible solo, you can find videos of it on youtube with both SCS and Ascension. Just relies on degenerate tactics as Shadenuat mentioned.

 

[Delterius]

How do I

Spoiler

Reanimate Staunton Vaune? I’m a lich and choose the option but I can’t do anything.

?

You need to build a ziggurat first and build pillar of skulls inside.

How do you build a ziggurat?

you need:
rocks
people
place

 

[ga♥]

Sharpedge its impossible, the videos you mention on youtube are all using mods.
The only way to win solo is to spam skull traps/delayed fireballs using wish, basically avoiding the fight. If you use SCS cant even do that because skull traps changes.

 

[Stoned Ape]

Get a warrior background and arcane armour training at 1st level

why
you can select arcane training without actual armor feat.
Sig gives you heavy.

Because you'll be spending a fair chunk of time before you get Signifer and it gives you the option of wearing elven chain until you do, along with a few weapon proficiencies and a skill boost.

I don't think many of the other backgrounds offer anything better, either.

 

[Shadenuat]

I beaten whole BGT as solo single class Druid (no fighter dual). I don't remember if I had Ascension tho, probably not, but likely had some version of SCS maybe.
Last fight is annoying as it is due to Mel summoning demons infinitely, especially when she bugs out due to insect plague.

Because you'll be spending a fair chunk of time before you get Signifer and it gives you the option of wearing elven chain until you do, along with a few weapon proficiencies and a skill boost.

I don't think many of the other backgrounds offer anything better, either.

Backgrounds offer weapon options and interesting skills.
Although Guard, yes, gives Perception which fits with 4 HK skills.

But early game you'll just run in Mage Armor. So picking aa at level 1 seems like a waste, pick it when you find armor/or 1 level before HS.

 

[Mortmal]

never sacrifice spell progression bros. its the best.

Usually yes, but that sorcerer-EK dragon disciple build you should rather see than a self buffing martial with lich merge . Dont think you can reach that high AC with anything else.
A simple 20 crusader/cleric + merging angel is probably as good for melee , i am testing one, and its rare you have to reload.

Did my first playthrough on pure crusader angel and even when my attributes were more focused on melee bolt/storm of justice was superior to melee (core difficulty). Ridiculous dmg and aoe.

Shhhh.. elemental barrage + Djinn aspects perma buffed

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

This guy is using 4 Geniekind to trigger Elemental Barrage so he clearly is gay. Don't investigate further.

At the risk of contracting le gay, I'm curious how he's applying all that damage from Elemental Barrage. He's attacking a 60+ AC target with 36 attack bonus. Was he just fishing for 20s with 13 attacks per round?

 

[Sharpedge]

Sharpedge its impossible, the videos you mention on youtube are all using mods.
The only way to win solo is to spam skull traps/delayed fireballs using wish, basically avoiding the fight. If you use SCS cant even do that because skull traps changes.

You can also do stuff like abuse wish to refresh all of your spells.

 

[Joggerino]

Did anybody actually enjoy all those puzzles in the game?

Fuck no

 

[Sharpedge]

This guy is using 4 Geniekind to trigger Elemental Barrage so he clearly is gay. Don't investigate further.

At the risk of contracting le gay, I'm curious how he's applying all that damage from Elemental Barrage. He's attacking a 60+ AC target with 36 attack bonus. Was he just fishing for 20s with 13 attacks per round?

The enemy was flat footed due to impromptu sneak attack.