Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Thac0]

Ember is good not because her dialogue is good, she is good because the other companions have a lot of unique responses to her mildly retarded lectures which can be of really high quality.

Agreed. That said, it's hard to justify why your PC would keep her around unless he subscribes to her nonsense.

I mean, you can say that it's just because she's useful (something which you are allowed to explicitly acknowledge in dialogue), but that's far from a satisfying reason.

I don't immerse that much, my party is an alignment clusterfuck as I only choose by gameplay and writing quality.
There is something quite interesting however if you want a roleplay reason to keep her around, Wenduag is scared shitless of her because she senses something is off. You could keep her around as any lawfull character in a "I want your Jesus shenanigans where I can see and control them, and not have a second crusade start in my back" fashion.

Also another thing on why her writing is good, her character lets the other ones talk about stuff that is not exactly their gimmick. Nenio is so shit because she always keeps her SCIENCE! gimmick up. It makes her onedimensional. If the other characters are talking about something not directly readable from the first paragraph of their backstory it is probably because Ember said something stupid.

It is like how in real Pen&Paper the best roleplayers are the ones who stop the party from just being a bunch of charades following a simple script to acting like they are a real group.

 

[LannTheStupid]

And her habit of persistent questioning is perfectly explained in character if you do her companion quest.

This is even better; but personally, I would expect the same curiosity from any person with INT 18 (which in Gygax times meant IQ 180).

 

[Rafidur]

lich... you are really a glass canon

Post ritual, and with the artifact cloak, a charisma based lich is fucking stacked: 500ish natural hp. 70ish temporary hp (both easily replenishable through negative burst), a bunch of defenses from the unique spells (AC, saves, DR, etc), undead immunities (when they work), an optional 10 dr from the strong bones or whatever it's called lich power, a bunch of free dex...

Pre-ritual, however, you're going to have garbage hp and most of these defenses are less relevant if you die to a babau rolling initiative then sneak farting in your general direction. Undead immunities also cost you a level 7 spell slot before you become one for good.

 

[Ehrenmann]

BUGS RUINED MY ARUESHALAE ROMANCE

 

[smaug]

lich... you are really a glass canon

Post ritual, and with the artifact cloak, a charisma based lich is fucking stacked: 500ish natural hp. 70ish temporary hp (both easily replenishable through negative burst), a bunch of defenses from the unique spells (AC, saves, DR, etc), undead immunities (when they work), an optional 10 dr from the strong bones or whatever it's called lich power, a bunch of free dex...

Pre-ritual, however, you're going to have garbage hp and most of these defenses are less relevant if you die to a babau rolling initiative then sneak farting in your general direction. Undead immunities also cost you a level 7 spell slot before you become one for good.

I choose lich for undead immunities and it’s taking forever to become a lich (I.e undead). Not having my undead immunities is gimping me hard atm

 

[Voids]

What is a RP friendly build for a lawful good, eventual gold dragon mythic path? Monk?

 

[Ezeekiel]

Have they fixed the performance issues yet?

 

[Rafidur]

Not having my undead immunities is gimping me hard atm

There's a level 7 spell that gives you DR 5/blunt, negative energy heals, and undead immunities for 10 min/level. Your +stats aura does not apply to temporary undead, though, unless they fixed it. You also still use con for hp. Positive side is you can legendary proportions your fighter THEN turn him undead, whereas you can't propo a natural undead.

 

[smaug]

Not having my undead immunities is gimping me hard atm

There's a level 7 spell that gives you DR 5/blunt, negative energy heals, and undead immunities for 10 min/level. Your +stats aura does not apply to temporary undead, though, unless they fixed it.

Don’t have level 7 spells yet ;(

 

[Thonius]

Okay so, I killed dragon okay without taking any damage right, and then I get raped by some pumpkins(mandragons or something) in the basement. Who the fuck is responsible for encounters really?WHOMST?

 

[smaug]

Tempted to quit at Ivory. So tired of fighting the same goddamn enemies in every corridor and room.

Been here for 2 1/2 fucking hours and it’s sooo long, if it’s like this for the rest of the game I’m out.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Come to think of it: what might be a Bolshevik crusader party?

There is a young pioneer hero who lost everything during the class war - Ember; there is an NKVD investigator who likes to... deal with counter-revolutionaries - Camellia; there is a bourgeois specialist, a temporary companion of the Revolution who will be executed later - Daeran; a thief, who is a potential class ally of the proletariat - Woljif; a landless peasant who was born as a village poor, so a natural ally of the working class - Wenduag...

The main hero should be a local party leader; don't know which class might it be. Not a full caster. May be a Scald, as his speeches about the Soviet authority should inspire the masses to fight.

And the rest do not seem to fit the theme. Well, Nenio may be a representative of intelligentsia which is the social layer between the working class and peasants. And the Mythic path should be of Lich, because Lenin even now is more alive than all the living people.

Comments and ideas are welcome.

 

[Voids]

Tempted to quit at Ivory. So tired of fighting the same goddamn enemies in every corridor and room.

Been here for 2 1/2 fucking hours and it’s sooo long, if it’s like this for the rest of the game I’m out.

the combat is super sloggy in general. I like how it follows the basic baldur's gate design but there's something lacking in how wotr implements it. I'm not smart enough to know what, I just know it doesn't quite feel right.

Come to think of it: what might be a Bolshevik crusader party?

There is a young pioneer hero who lost everything during the class war - Ember; there is an NKVD investigator who likes to... deal with counter-revolutionaries - Camellia; there is a bourgeois specialist, a temporary companion of the Revolution who will be executed later - Daeran; a thief, who is a potential class ally of the proletariat - Woljif; a landless peasant who was born as a village poor, so a natural ally of the working class - Wenduag...

The main hero should be a local party leader; don't know which class might it be. Not a full caster. May be a Scald, as his speeches about the Soviet authority should inspire the masses to fight.

And the rest do not seem to fit the theme. Well, Nenio may be a representative of intelligentsia which is the social layer between the working class and peasants. And the Mythic path should be of Lich, because Lenin even now is more alive than all the living people.

Comments and ideas are welcome.

regill is clearly der commissar

 

[Raghar]

Okay so, I killed dragon okay without taking any damage right, and then I get raped by some pumpkins(mandragons or something) in the basement. Who the fuck is responsible for encounters really?WHOMST?

Murdering pumpkin swarms are tradition. You should get used to them already. Also they are doing bleeding. If you are immune to bleed they are much easier.

Also encounters are ATTROCIOUS. It feels like they never did DM.

 

[Ramnozack]

Can someone tell me why Playful Darkness is still somehow immune to chains of light even after dispelling Freedom of Movement on him and everything else? I dispelled his FoM, debuffed his saves with Ember, hit him with a chains of light, he failed his save, nothing happens. What the fuck

 

[panda]

Can someone tell me why Playful Darkness is still somehow immune to chains of light even after dispelling Freedom of Movement on him and everything else? I dispelled his FoM, debuffed his saves with Ember, hit him with a chains of light, he failed his save, nothing happens. What the fuck

Slow and web also did nothing. I used few 40+ DC scrolls(which was pretty high at this point) enchanted with "do saving throws twice" metamagic, he failed to save... and nothing. Just nothing \_(ヅ)_/

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Can someone tell me why Playful Darkness is still somehow immune to chains of light even after dispelling Freedom of Movement on him and everything else? I dispelled his FoM, debuffed his saves with Ember, hit him with a chains of light, he failed his save, nothing happens. What the fuck

Slow and web also did nothing. I used few 40+ DC scrolls(which was pretty high at this point) enchanted with "do saving throws twice" metamagic, he failed to save... and nothing. Just nothing \_(ヅ)_/

The game has a dedicated bug report shortcut for a reason.

 

[Haplo]

Well, must have been a bug with being unable to continue a non-horse animal companion as a Sohei.
Yesterday I was able to respec to a Smilodon Hunter start and continue as Sohei just fine. Well, what other AC can be as good for charging as a pouncing smilo?

I'm mostly settled on going Aeon btw. But now that I have that furry monster with 5 attacks per round, I find it hard to resist picking Instrument of Freedom as my starting power.
2d6 holy to each attack? Hmmm....

 

[Sunri]

what happened

 

[ArchAngel]

Well, must have been a bug with being unable to continue a non-horse animal companion as a Sohei.
Yesterday I was able to respec to a Smilodon Hunter start and continue as Sohei just fine. Well, what other AC can be as good for charging as a pouncing smilo?

I'm mostly settled on going Aeon btw. But now that I have that furry monster with 5 attacks per round, I find it hard to resist picking Instrument of Freedom as my starting power.
2d6 holy to each attack? Hmmm....

Sounds like a He-Man roleplay :D

 

[ArchAngel]

Come to think of it: what might be a Bolshevik crusader party?

There is a young pioneer hero who lost everything during the class war - Ember; there is an NKVD investigator who likes to... deal with counter-revolutionaries - Camellia; there is a bourgeois specialist, a temporary companion of the Revolution who will be executed later - Daeran; a thief, who is a potential class ally of the proletariat - Woljif; a landless peasant who was born as a village poor, so a natural ally of the working class - Wenduag...

The main hero should be a local party leader; don't know which class might it be. Not a full caster. May be a Scald, as his speeches about the Soviet authority should inspire the masses to fight.

And the rest do not seem to fit the theme. Well, Nenio may be a representative of intelligentsia which is the social layer between the working class and peasants. And the Mythic path should be of Lich, because Lenin even now is more alive than all the living people.

Comments and ideas are welcome.

REAL COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED!!!

Spoiler

But if you want to roleplay real life communism, go all evil party and murder anyone that does not agree with you

 

[Haplo]

Well, must have been a bug with being unable to continue a non-horse animal companion as a Sohei.
Yesterday I was able to respec to a Smilodon Hunter start and continue as Sohei just fine. Well, what other AC can be as good for charging as a pouncing smilo?

I'm mostly settled on going Aeon btw. But now that I have that furry monster with 5 attacks per round, I find it hard to resist picking Instrument of Freedom as my starting power.
2d6 holy to each attack? Hmmm....

Sounds like a He-Man roleplay :D

I just thought this morning that I gotta rename him Battle Cat :D

Hrrmm... either that or Cringer...

 

[NJClaw]

Ember is good not because her dialogue is good, she is good because the other companions have a lot of unique responses to her mildly retarded lectures which can be of really high quality.

Agreed. That said, it's hard to justify why your PC would keep her around unless he subscribes to her nonsense.

I mean, you can say that it's just because she's useful (something which you are allowed to explicitly acknowledge in dialogue), but that's far from a satisfying reason.

Well, in Kenabres you might make her follow you not to abandon a child in the middle of a war zone, but as soon as you make camp while marching towards Drezen you learn that her words have something magical and are able to calm your soldiers and strengthen their will. That's a useful ability during a crusade.

What is a RP friendly build for a lawful good, eventual gold dragon mythic path? Monk?

Straight Paladin with the Angel path works perfectly. You might want to wait a bit to try the Gold Dragon path, it's supposed to be heavily bugged at the moment. Grab Power Attack, the Cleave/Cleaving Finish line, and the Vital Strike line, equip the biggest two-handed weapon you can find, use one of your companions to cast Enlarge Person/Legendary Proportions, and cleave through the hordes of enemies. Lawful decisions are pretty harsh in this game and sometimes don't make sense for a "redemption over everything" Good character, but once in a while you get a Lawful option that isn't "KILL THE TRAITORS!".

 

[volklore]

What route are you guys doing in act 3, what are you starting with? Playing on hard, I am experiencing a big difficulty spike early act 3. I am playing a sorcerer azata (focus on control spells). I have pretty high mind-affecting DC because the game keeps throwing illusion/enchantment/mind affecting DC items to me somehow and I have focus in conjuration/illusion. With proper debuffing, I can usually get through the saves, but the issue is surviving until I can beat one save (with heightened CC). My main party is Bard Seelah ( main frontliner right now - she gets here AC in the 50s and has lots of concealment spells), Vivisectionist Woljiff (swapped with Cam when needed), Regill, Ember, and Cleric Lann/or Sosiel if I really need a full cleric at a certain point.

I did the arue and woljiff quest at the start of the act and that was easy enough. Then I ended up in areelu's lab and after wiping the floor with a couple encounters I struggled heavily on the 'carnivorous crystals' which I ended up beating by stacking mirror image/concealment on the tank blocking the doorway and waiting for my chars to beat their DC29 aura stun. No mind blank made that pretty hard, even with the azata song. It was a pain. Then ended up fighting some demodand + minotaur encounters. And some of those mobs had insane saves/immunities and I felt underleveled as hell so I loaded a previous save to go somewhere else. I went to wintersun and again there was a few encounters there that were fine but some of them were real difficult and kind of down to rng (Demon boss in the cave and especially that axe thrower boss fight which was down to whether or not I could beat his reflex save with heightened grease or he would murder half my team through concealment). Again the AB was insanity, and even trying to dispell enemy buffs seemed useless as even with the 'take 20 on dispell checks' goggles from the drezen merchant, I could not make most caster level checks for dispell (DC sometimes way over 30). I beat those encounters, mostly through using Ember's Fortune, protective Luck and Evil eye hexes but it didn't feel satisfactory, and still mostly felt RNG bound. It was alway down to 'I need to hit this 50/50 spell or I am dead' kind of a deal.

Of course I am buffing everything constantly.

Any perfered route for act 3, is there something I am doing wrong or am i supposed to be struggling this way ? Again I can usually get through the AC and/or saves of mobs if given enough time to debuff and then Regill and Woljff can generally 1 or 2 round anything down. The issue is getting to that point without losing half my team.

 

[Stoned Ape]

What is a RP friendly build for a lawful good, eventual gold dragon mythic path? Monk?

Probably a Cleric or Oracle who follows Sarenrae and initially picks the Angel path.

Think NG is probably more RP friendly for Gold Dragon than LG as it is presented in game, though.