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I have mythic spell penetration, plus the normal and greater one feats, magicians rings which adds 2DC for illusion spells and the mythic shadows that boosts it by 20% and the DC for nenio’s phantasmal web and killer are about 25, enemies have+18-20 normally to save.
There's something wrong here... my Nenio isn't specced for illusion spells and yet her Phantasmal Web save is 31: 10 + 5 (spell level) + 9 (Intelligence) + 1 (spell focus) + 2 (Magician's Ring) + 2 (Quarterstaff of the War Mage) + 2 (Glass Amulet of Clarity). It can go up to 33 if I use Heighten Spell with a 7th level slot.

On core enemies also normally don't have +20 to saves, so maybe turn down the difficulty. And even with a +20, with Evil Eye and Dirge of Doom, enemies will fail their save most of the times, especially if you add Persistent Spell.
I don’t any amulet of clarity and war mage staff doesn’t stack with magicians ring. DC is 26 (all the things I mentioned before) and as I said they have +18-20 on saves. I don’t know what crack your smoking but nenio is useless besides having greater heroism and being able to summon elementals for temporary damage sponges.
 
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I have mythic spell penetration, plus the normal and greater one feats, magicians rings which adds 2DC for illusion spells and the mythic shadows that boosts it by 20% and the DC for nenio’s phantasmal web and killer are about 25, enemies have+18-20 normally to save.
There's something wrong here... my Nenio isn't specced for illusion spells and yet her Phantasmal Web save is 31: 10 + 5 (spell level) + 9 (Intelligence) + 1 (spell focus) + 2 (Magician's Ring) + 2 (Quarterstaff of the War Mage) + 2 (Glass Amulet of Clarity). It can go up to 33 if I use Heighten Spell with a 7th level slot.

On core enemies also normally don't have +20 to saves, so maybe turn down the difficulty. And even with a +20, with Evil Eye and Dirge of Doom, enemies will fail their save most of the times, especially if you add Persistent Spell.
I don’t any amulet of clarity and war mage staff doesn’t stack with magicians ring. DC is 26 (all the things I mentioned before) and as I said they have +18-20 on saves. I don’t know what crack your smoking but nenio is useless besides having greater heroism and being able to summon elementals for temporary damage sponges.
the only way this can be solved is by desiderian screenshots of nenio's DC
 

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I suppose I could respect and get a metamagic feat but it’s only 1 and next feat is level 14 I think. Also how are you getting ember’s hexes to work, her DC is fucking 22 and there aren’t any feats I found to boost hexes, how do you even hex anything?
 

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Any tips on building Staunton Vhane? I don’t even understand what he is supposed to be. What even is his feats and class, please help

I've not used him, but if you can build him from 10th level I'd pick up 5 levels of fighter (maybe mutation warrior if that works on undead). I'd grab weapon training polearms, weapon finesse, fighter's finesse from weapon training, then mythic finesse. At least that way he can get Dex to hit and damage with glaives and can wear the weapon training gloves.

Last 5 levels, probably stick to Warpriest to build up his spellbook. He'll lose out on 6th level spells doing that but be more of a threat in combat.
 

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I suppose I could respect and get a metamagic feat but it’s only 1 and next feat is level 14 I think. Also how are you getting ember’s hexes to work, her DC is fucking 22 and there aren’t any feats I found to boost hexes, how do you even hex anything?

Use it, fail DC, spam cackle.
 

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I don’t any amulet of clarity and war mage staff doesn’t stack with magicians ring. DC is 26 (all the things I mentioned before) and as I said they have +18-20 on saves. I don’t know what crack your smoking but nenio is useless besides having greater heroism and being able to summon elementals for temporary damage sponges.

It stacks. All the +DC stacks. I have 40+ DC on enchantment spells on Nenio, around lvl 15 rn, and I think around 38 on illusion. With persistent metamagic pretty much nothing saves against my control spells on core.
 

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I don’t any amulet of clarity and war mage staff doesn’t stack with magicians ring. DC is 26 (all the things I mentioned before) and as I said they have +18-20 on saves. I don’t know what crack your smoking but nenio is useless besides having greater heroism and being able to summon elementals for temporary damage sponges.

It stacks. All the +DC stacks. I have 40+ DC on enchantment spells on Nenio, around lvl 15 rn, and I think around 38 on illusion. With persistent metamagic pretty much nothing saves against my control spells on core.
It says it doesn’t stack so if it does it’s a bug.
 

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I have mythic spell penetration, plus the normal and greater one feats, magicians rings which adds 2DC for illusion spells and the mythic shadows that boosts it by 20% and the DC for nenio’s phantasmal web and killer are about 25, enemies have+18-20 normally to save.
There's something wrong here... my Nenio isn't specced for illusion spells and yet her Phantasmal Web save is 31: 10 + 5 (spell level) + 9 (Intelligence) + 1 (spell focus) + 2 (Magician's Ring) + 2 (Quarterstaff of the War Mage) + 2 (Glass Amulet of Clarity). It can go up to 33 if I use Heighten Spell with a 7th level slot.

On core enemies also normally don't have +20 to saves, so maybe turn down the difficulty. And even with a +20, with Evil Eye and Dirge of Doom, enemies will fail their save most of the times, especially if you add Persistent Spell.
I don’t any amulet of clarity and war mage staff doesn’t stack with magicians ring. DC is 26 (all the things I mentioned before) and as I said they have +18-20 on saves. I don’t know what crack your smoking but nenio is useless besides having greater heroism and being able to summon elementals for temporary damage sponges.
If you don't have the Amulet of Clarity, it means either that (a) you didn't check the vendors' inventories or (b) you checked them and you decided not to buy an item that boosts DCs by 2 so you should be immediately put in jail.

Magician's Ring and Quarterstaff of the War Mage get the "non-stacking bonus" because of the competence bonus to Use Magic Device skill checks, but their +2 to DCs stack. Try to put them on at the same time and you'll see that they stack.

And if your DC is that low, it means that either (a) you didn't improve her Intelligence at level up or (b) you didn't give her your best Int-boosting item (you should have a +6 by now, but you can also use the profane +2 from Draven's Hat plus a Fox's Cunning).

These are my DCs for a standard and a 7th level Phantasmal Web, on a Nenio specialized in Conjuration/Evocation and not Illusion:

Screenshot-13.png
Screenshot-14.png
And, as I said, with DC 31, you can easily beat a +20 save thanks to Evil Eye and Dirge of Doom, especially if you use Persistent Spell. If you throw in also Archon's Aura (that you should have active on as many characters as possible to force multiple saves), it's another -2.

I suppose I could respect and get a metamagic feat but it’s only 1 and next feat is level 14 I think. Also how are you getting ember’s hexes to work, her DC is fucking 22 and there aren’t any feats I found to boost hexes, how do you even hex anything?
Smaug, you don't care about Ember's Hex DC, because Evil Eye affects the enemy regardless of the result of his saving throw. You start the combat with Evil Eye (saving throws) + Cackle, then the next turn you use Evil Eye (armor class) and Cackle again, so from that point the enemy has -4 to AC and saves as long as you keep cackling.
 
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I don’t any amulet of clarity and war mage staff doesn’t stack with magicians ring. DC is 26 (all the things I mentioned before) and as I said they have +18-20 on saves. I don’t know what crack your smoking but nenio is useless besides having greater heroism and being able to summon elementals for temporary damage sponges.

It stacks. All the +DC stacks. I have 40+ DC on enchantment spells on Nenio, around lvl 15 rn, and I think around 38 on illusion. With persistent metamagic pretty much nothing saves against my control spells on core.
It says it doesn’t stack so if it does it’s a bug.

You sure it's not referring to the +UMD on the rings?
 

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I don’t any amulet of clarity and war mage staff doesn’t stack with magicians ring. DC is 26 (all the things I mentioned before) and as I said they have +18-20 on saves. I don’t know what crack your smoking but nenio is useless besides having greater heroism and being able to summon elementals for temporary damage sponges.

It stacks. All the +DC stacks. I have 40+ DC on enchantment spells on Nenio, around lvl 15 rn, and I think around 38 on illusion. With persistent metamagic pretty much nothing saves against my control spells on core.
It says it doesn’t stack so if it does it’s a bug.

It says doesn't stack, because both items have + UMD, and that's the part that doesn't stack. DC bonus stacks.
 

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Yeah the "non stacking bonus" alert doesn't necessarily mean all the bonuses on the item don't stack, it often just means part of it doesn't.
 

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I don’t any amulet of clarity and war mage staff doesn’t stack with magicians ring. DC is 26 (all the things I mentioned before) and as I said they have +18-20 on saves. I don’t know what crack your smoking but nenio is useless besides having greater heroism and being able to summon elementals for temporary damage sponges.

It stacks. All the +DC stacks. I have 40+ DC on enchantment spells on Nenio, around lvl 15 rn, and I think around 38 on illusion. With persistent metamagic pretty much nothing saves against my control spells on core.
It says it doesn’t stack so if it does it’s a bug.

It says doesn't stack, because both items have + UMD, and that's the part that doesn't stack. DC bonus stacks.
Yes but same sources don't stack (two items of the same name). I got 2 magician's ring from chapter two but they do not stack to +4 illusion DC sadly.

On another note, it seems you can't pick favorite metamagic persistent... Reeeee game!
 

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I don't know what you are talking about here, I used Wail of Banshee for first time yesterday in Dragon Cave, 5 out of 6 Spiders died instantly. +1 to DC from Cruomancer and +1 to DC for death spells from book helped. Also having Mythic Skill Focus into Necro spells. And necro spells don't have a bunch of OP items for DC so far.
 

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what this game needs is the shadow enchantment and shadow necromancy lines of spells so i can fuck around with a wizard who uses fake quasi magic exclusively
Get Metamagic and you can have them on most spell levels.
 

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what this game needs is the shadow enchantment and shadow necromancy lines of spells so i can fuck around with a wizard who uses fake quasi magic exclusively
Get Metamagic and you can have them on most spell levels.
shadow conjuration and shadow evocation, but i wanna cast shadow hideous laughter (dark comedy) and shadow animate dead (spookiest skeleton) too

shadows all the way down
 

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I have mythic spell penetration, plus the normal and greater one feats, magicians rings which adds 2DC for illusion spells and the mythic shadows that boosts it by 20% and the DC for nenio’s phantasmal web and killer are about 25, enemies have+18-20 normally to save.
There's something wrong here... my Nenio isn't specced for illusion spells and yet her Phantasmal Web save is 31: 10 + 5 (spell level) + 9 (Intelligence) + 1 (spell focus) + 2 (Magician's Ring) + 2 (Quarterstaff of the War Mage) + 2 (Glass Amulet of Clarity). It can go up to 33 if I use Heighten Spell with a 7th level slot.

On core enemies also normally don't have +20 to saves, so maybe turn down the difficulty. And even with a +20, with Evil Eye and Dirge of Doom, enemies will fail their save most of the times, especially if you add Persistent Spell.
I don’t any amulet of clarity and war mage staff doesn’t stack with magicians ring. DC is 26 (all the things I mentioned before) and as I said they have +18-20 on saves. I don’t know what crack your smoking but nenio is useless besides having greater heroism and being able to summon elementals for temporary damage sponges.
If you don't have the Amulet of Clarity, it means either that (a) you didn't check the vendors' inventories or (b) you checked them and you decided not to buy an item that boosts DCs by 2 so you should be immediately put in jail.

Magician's Ring and Quarterstaff of the War Mage get the "non-stacking bonus" because of the competence bonus to Use Magic Device skill checks, but their +2 to DCs stack. Try to put them on at the same time and you'll see that they stack.

And if your DC is that low, it means that either (a) you didn't improve her Intelligence at level up or (b) you didn't give her your best Int-boosting item (you should have a +6 by now, but you can also use the profane +2 from Draven's Hat plus a Fox's Cunning).

These are my DCs for a standard and a 7th level Phantasmal Web, on a Nenio specialized in Conjuration/Evocation and not Illusion:

Screenshot-13.png
Screenshot-14.png
And, as I said, with DC 31, you can easily beat a +20 save thanks to Evil Eye and Dirge of Doom, especially if you use Persistent Spell. If you throw in also Archon's Aura (that you should have active on as many characters as possible to force multiple saves), it's another -2.

I suppose I could respect and get a metamagic feat but it’s only 1 and next feat is level 14 I think. Also how are you getting ember’s hexes to work, her DC is fucking 22 and there aren’t any feats I found to boost hexes, how do you even hex anything?
Smaug, you don't care about Ember's Hex DC, because Evil Eye affects the enemy regardless of the result of his saving throw. You start the combat with Evil Eye (saving throws) + Cackle, then the next turn you use Evil Eye (armor class) and Cackle again, so from that point the enemy has -4 to AC and saves as long as you keep cackling.
So every other hex besides evil eye and cackle are worthless? ‘k
 

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Btw, fun fact time: idk if they fixed it yet, but last time I tested it, Expanded Arsenal mythic was broken, and would let you pump DC to insane levels, since it gives you bonuses from all other schools you gave feats in, as long as you don't have that feat in the school you choose with Expanded Arsenal.

Eg.

School focus: Conjuration +1
Greater school focus: Conjuration +1
Mythic focus: Conjuration +2

= +4 to DC for Conjuration

Same feats for Evocation

= +4 DC for Evocation

Now when you apply Expanded Arsenal: Enchantment, you get +8 to Enchantment DC, because you get bonuses from both Conjuration and Evocation applied to it. But it works only if you don't have SF/GSF in Enchantment, otherwise they replace the bonuses you would get from Expanded Arsenal and you end up with actually lower DC than when not having these feats.
 

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Btw, fun fact time: idk if they fixed it yet, but last time I tested it, Expanded Arsenal mythic was broken, and would let you pump DC to insane levels, since it gives you bonuses from all other schools you gave feats in, as long as you don't have that feat in the school you choose with Expanded Arsenal.
Something else that is less likely to be unintended is that Expanded Arsenal counts Arcane Bloodline's +2 to DCs as a school focus feat. And you can grab another +2 from being a Sage Sorcerer with second bloodline: Arcane.
 

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I have mythic spell penetration, plus the normal and greater one feats, magicians rings which adds 2DC for illusion spells and the mythic shadows that boosts it by 20% and the DC for nenio’s phantasmal web and killer are about 25, enemies have+18-20 normally to save.
There's something wrong here... my Nenio isn't specced for illusion spells and yet her Phantasmal Web save is 31: 10 + 5 (spell level) + 9 (Intelligence) + 1 (spell focus) + 2 (Magician's Ring) + 2 (Quarterstaff of the War Mage) + 2 (Glass Amulet of Clarity). It can go up to 33 if I use Heighten Spell with a 7th level slot.

On core enemies also normally don't have +20 to saves, so maybe turn down the difficulty. And even with a +20, with Evil Eye and Dirge of Doom, enemies will fail their save most of the times, especially if you add Persistent Spell.
I don’t any amulet of clarity and war mage staff doesn’t stack with magicians ring. DC is 26 (all the things I mentioned before) and as I said they have +18-20 on saves. I don’t know what crack your smoking but nenio is useless besides having greater heroism and being able to summon elementals for temporary damage sponges.
If you don't have the Amulet of Clarity, it means either that (a) you didn't check the vendors' inventories or (b) you checked them and you decided not to buy an item that boosts DCs by 2 so you should be immediately put in jail.

Magician's Ring and Quarterstaff of the War Mage get the "non-stacking bonus" because of the competence bonus to Use Magic Device skill checks, but their +2 to DCs stack. Try to put them on at the same time and you'll see that they stack.

And if your DC is that low, it means that either (a) you didn't improve her Intelligence at level up or (b) you didn't give her your best Int-boosting item (you should have a +6 by now, but you can also use the profane +2 from Draven's Hat plus a Fox's Cunning).

These are my DCs for a standard and a 7th level Phantasmal Web, on a Nenio specialized in Conjuration/Evocation and not Illusion:

Screenshot-13.png
Screenshot-14.png
And, as I said, with DC 31, you can easily beat a +20 save thanks to Evil Eye and Dirge of Doom, especially if you use Persistent Spell. If you throw in also Archon's Aura (that you should have active on as many characters as possible to force multiple saves), it's another -2.

I suppose I could respect and get a metamagic feat but it’s only 1 and next feat is level 14 I think. Also how are you getting ember’s hexes to work, her DC is fucking 22 and there aren’t any feats I found to boost hexes, how do you even hex anything?
Smaug, you don't care about Ember's Hex DC, because Evil Eye affects the enemy regardless of the result of his saving throw. You start the combat with Evil Eye (saving throws) + Cackle, then the next turn you use Evil Eye (armor class) and Cackle again, so from that point the enemy has -4 to AC and saves as long as you keep cackling.
So every other hex besides evil eye and cackle are worthless? ‘k
Luck is awesome and so is Protective barrier. Game lacks good Greater Hexes, but there should be some decent Grand Hexes.
 

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