Decline World of Warcraft past WotLK

[Gahbreeil]

Does anyone agree? Dispute me and the fact/truth it's just milking a cow which they forgot to put within the game.

 

[Ravielsk]

Does anyone agree?

With what?

 

[Gahbreeil]

With what?

Decline. Do note the decline.

 

[Reever]

I'll go to bat for Cataclysm since the first patch was actually a steep incline from the wotlk induced snorefest. Harder dungeons, interesting class changes and healers having to actually watch their mana. That didn't last long of course since blizzard always caters to the lowest common denominator.
Either way, WoW was in decline from BC onwards in my opinion.

 

[Gahbreeil]

Either way, WoW was in decline from BC onwards in my opinion.

The Dungeon Finder system is a massive save for the game although not for the role-players. IMHO.

 

[Ravielsk]

Either way, WoW was in decline from BC onwards in my opinion.

The Dungeon Finder system is a massive save for the game although not for the role-players. IMHO.

If there is someone who does not care for the quality of the game it would be the roleplayers. As long as they get to play-out their BDSM fantasies in Pig and Whistle they will be fine.

Dungeon finder on its own is a symptom, an early one but still a symptom. Blizzards mistake was turning the game into a rat-maze built around spamming dungeons to get the gear for raids and then to spam those raids. Somewhat automating one part of that process was inevitable.

 

[Gregz]

The inflection point on this graph tells the whole story

 

[Gahbreeil]

WoD introduced Classic as well, right? I played Classic a bit yet could not understand why no improvements were in. It was just a reboot while it could've been a remake. I believe they fixed it with Burning Crusade Classic.

 

[Kem0sabe]

Wtf is this Reddit shit pretending to be a codex post?

 

[Gahbreeil]

Wtf is this Reddit shit pretending to be a codex post?

Come at me in full force /b/ro. Although the thread is dead and I got a good answer with the graphic.

 

[Frank Capicoli]

I played Classic a bit yet could not understand why no improvements were in. It was just a reboot while it could've been a remake.

Modern Activision can't handle improvements. Look at WC3 Refunded and D2R, yes these were somewhat outsourced but Activision still had the final say. Or look at modern WoW people playing classic to escape it and for nostalgia, everybody understood that once Activision started making "improvements" it would just turn to shit again anyways.

 

[J1M]

Cata breaking the old zones was a mistake.

It solidified their approach going forward of ashamedly replacing the old instead of making the game additive. Today, nothing before the current patch is relevant, shrinking the decades of content to the size of a patch.

They also avoided making another zone like Storm Peaks, which assumed a flying mount as part of the levelling process. This was another bad precedent that has persisted to present day.

 

[Gahbreeil]

Instead of Cataclysm the Steamwheedle Cartel Islands + Flying mounts all over Azeroth, as in, no ships for the higher levels. Right?

 

[mediocrepoet]

Cata breaking the old zones was a mistake.

It solidified their approach going forward of ashamedly replacing the old instead of making the game additive. Today, nothing before the current patch is relevant, shrinking the decades of content to the size of a patch.

They also avoided making another zone like Storm Peaks, which assumed a flying mount as part of the levelling process. This was another bad precedent that has persisted to present day.

The Cata revamp of the old world was interesting and ambitious, but the way they did it, making everything into a themepark mash instead of a simulated world was a huge mistake. It really ruined so much of the game's appeal.

 

[Manjuice Nutella]

Either way, WoW was in decline from BC onwards in my opinion.

The Dungeon Finder system is a massive save for the game although not for the role-players. IMHO.

If there is someone who does not care for the quality of the game it would be the roleplayers. As long as they get to play-out their BDSM fantasies in Pig and Whistle they will be fine.

Dungeon finder on its own is a symptom, an early one but still a symptom. Blizzards mistake was turning the game into a rat-maze built around spamming dungeons to get the gear for raids and then to spam those raids. Somewhat automating one part of that process was inevitable.

After having a 10+ year long break from this type of games, I play ESO now, and I’m positive that Dungeon Finder itself is not a problem. ESO now has the sense of community that I don’t remember since WoW TBC, and I played until late Cata.

It has a DF alright, but most people still prefer to group up within the guilds with known friends, who won’t act like retards (healers taunting bosses etc). Heck, I still remember playing Wotlk and queuing with some regulars, having nice chats along the way.

What IMO really was the real culprit, was the cross-server shit.

 

[cw8]

Vanilla to WOTLK player myself. Legion was pretty good. Then it went massive downhill again after that.

 

[janior]

only vanilla is good

 

[J1M]

Cross server is just what Blizzard calls server merges.

 

[Sykar]

I'll go to bat for Cataclysm since the first patch was actually a steep incline from the wotlk induced snorefest. Harder dungeons, interesting class changes and healers having to actually watch their mana. That didn't last long of course since blizzard always caters to the lowest common denominator.
Either way, WoW was in decline from BC onwards in my opinion.

TBC was the best version of WoW by far.

 

[Garyxeao88]

In my opinion, TBC is literally a better-designed game than retail wow in pretty much every gameplay respect. Combat feels better, your character’s impact, weapon swings, procs, and buttons instantly are representative and felt on the target. Crafting actually matters. But would WotLK Classic be better? We'll see it on September 26.

 

[Ravielsk]

But would WotLK Classic be better?

No, Wotlk is at its base a worse game than TBC ergo the re-release is not going to be any better. In fact most of the rot that has overtaken WoW stems directly from Wotlk.

 

[Hobknobling]

The inflection point on this graph tells the whole story

No, it doesn't. First of all, Activision-Blizzard has always been cooking the books when it comes to the player count. Second of all, they started to hunt down Chinese private servers when WotLK reached it's peak player count and caused a slight delay in the playerbase decline.

WotLK was already decline. Quit the game when incredibly lazily made Trial of the Crusader was released and never looked back.

 

[Dr1f7]

Ok I'll bite
WoW is better now than it's ever been and it's probably only going to get better
fite me

 

[Dr1f7]

you rate me reddit, but the reddit opinion is
"wow bad"
so really,
YOU'RE the reddit

haha get rekt

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

If you had bought a WoW expansion in the past, you can now get Shadowlands for free up until September 5th.

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/world-of-warcraft/23840670/return-to-wow-and-get-shadowlands-free