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Review 1UP torpedoes NWN2 - 5/10

Discussion in 'News & Content Feedback' started by Vault Dweller, Nov 3, 2006.

  1. serch Magister

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    Review is out of existence at the moment.
     
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  2. suibhne Erudite

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    Some really good posts over at QT3, in fact - really good posts about why that review was complete, unmitigated crap.
     
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  3. elander_ Arbiter

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    Since Oblivion that reviews are beating moronic records on the internet both positive and negative ones. I wouldn't give NWN2 more than 7 and thats just because of the characters but the dumbfucked rt with pause combat system is a crime against D&D character system.
     
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  4. Nael Arcane

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    This all just goes to show that number ratings for reviews are pointless and arbitrary. If there were no numbers given people would've read it, digested it, and moved on. But because the game was given the numerical value of 5 out of a possible 10 a great rumbling insues and the monkey-horde begins to beat their chests over a stupid fucking number.

    This also goes to show that most humans are nothing more than dumb animals.
     
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  5. Bradylama Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    Well, ratings systems based on the value of 10 makes people think of the grading scale for school, so it's only natural that they'll think a 5 is a failure score. It certainly implies that the game isn't worth your money, even if it's supposed to be "average."

    I remember PC Gamer had games in the 40-50 range as "merely ok," but I wouldn't touch any of those games with Volourn's dick.
     
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  6. Elwro Arcane

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    ... in certain countries, perhaps.

    I always thought about the "x out of 10" ratings as similar to a percentage of... well, I'm not sure what, but as a percentage anyway :D
     
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  7. OccupatedVoid Arbiter

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    Obsidian: Uh, sorry guys, here's your payment.
    1UP: For what?
    Obsidian: NWN2, of course!
    1UP: Well, we didn't get it fast enough so we gave it a 5/10.
    Obsidian: What??! A 5/10!! We wanted a 10/10!!
    1UP: Like we said, you never gave us our money, and our reviewer just got back from Marijuanaville.
    Obsidian: Can't you take it off? We have our money.
    1UP: Well, there's one way. Lots of developers use this method. *zip*
     
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  8. Bradylama Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    Heh. I meant multiples of 10. Like 1-10, 1-100, 1000, whatnot.

    Unless you get Elvis Stickers in Poland.
     
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  9. Kraszu Prophet

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    We have 1-5 + 6 scale 6 is for someting special like wining math contest or someting.
     
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  10. DemonKing Arcane

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    Well he does say at the bottom of the review that if you are a D&D fanboi the game is an 8-9/10 in line with most other reviewers, but let's face it - that *is* the core audience for this game. It's not like Counter Strike junkies who've been playing that exclusively for 5 years are going to be interested in NWN2 in the first place.

    Seems to me the reviewer is just courting controversy for it's on sake - and not very well at that.
     
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  11. Zomg Arbiter

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    I never got a chance to read the original review, but from the flap it seems like they accidentally used a G4 duderz reviewer when they needed an effete hype-internalizer like Desslock.

    Edit - Er, actually not. Reading the excerpts VD has it seems like he's more against spreadsheet gameplay, which is fine by me. Lots of autistics love D20 though, and I think reviewing is a lot different than criticism, so maybe the pull is still valid.
     
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  12. HanoverF Arcane Patron

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    You shouldn't ask people who don't like salads to review a salad shooter and you shouldn't ask people who don't like using their brains to review games that aren't Oblivion.

    Don't get me wrong the number seems acceptable, I doubt the sequal could surpass the original and the original was a reeking pile of shit. However that review reads like someone who doesn't fully understand what words mean and/or who thinks 'everything should be chocolate, why the hell does there have to be vanilla?'
     
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  13. galsiah Erudite

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    Sure, I'd agree. However, there's a big difference between being against the spreadsheet presentation, and being against the rules themselves.

    I'm behind throwing out as many stats as possible (where appropriate), but against removing good rules. The player just needs to be presented the rules differently. There's no reason things can't be complex, deep, and stat light (while behind-the-scenes stat heavy, naturally).
    You'd need a truck-load of well thought through feedback mechanisms to get things working well, of course - but that's not impossible.

    From what I can tell (didn't see the review), the reviewer seems to advocate a baby-out-with-the-bathwater approach. He doesn't like the presentation of the rules, so he wants the rules thrown out.

    If that is his attitude, it's stupid.
    If the presentation sucks (in his opinion) it makes sense to favour a change in presentation. If the rules themselves suck, he should be arguing on the basis of the implications of the rules - not the fact that they're handled using numbers.


    That said, I'm against using p&p rule systems in the first place - unless merely as a starting point for design.
    If you're making a D&D game, perhaps it makes sense to have all the stats in the player's face. I just wish people would stop making D&D games. (in terms of mechanics anyway - I've no particular objection to D&D settings, creatures etc.)
     
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  14. DemonKing Arcane

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    Ha - 1Up have officially retracted the review for not meeting their standards.

    Maybe the editor should have gone over it properly before publishing it in the first place. :roll:
     
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  15. Kraszu Prophet

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    What a great idea, why not go further give games to review to somebody that doesn't like games, and see if games are for people that don't like games.
     
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  16. Bradylama Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    And now... Andy Rooney.

    "I don't understand this 'electronic gaming' business. I remember back in my day, a gamer was somebody who blew their whole week's salary at the blackjack table."
     
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  17. Zomg Arbiter

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    @galsiah: Well, as I said, I wasn't able to read it. But surely, the stereotype of some guy going on for three paragraphs about setting up a monkey gripping six sneak attacks of opportunity per round half-ogre metamagic prestige class, deduced by upending a rulebook into his brain and then simmering it over ever minute his mind has to wander has some validity. I think D20 was knowingly designed to be rule pornography in that way, the same way TSR knowingly encouraged it with splatbooks.

    There is a difference between that and a system like GURPS, which is very rule topheavy, but ultimately about creating characters and inserting rules to provide character-gameworld feedback and gameplay in pretty much anything you can think of doing. It's also very deconstructable in terms of power gaming, but that's a problem to be fixed, not a goal.
     
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  18. EEVIAC Erudite

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    Here's a link to the apology. He seems to be missing the point that the reviewer can't write. If you have to do that much editing, you may as well write the review yourself.
     
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  19. Bradylama Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    Why do these guys even bother? Do they think 1UP is somehow vindicated because they approve an action they have no familiarity with?
     
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  20. Direwolf Arcane

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    Here's the original review

     
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  21. aboyd Liturgist

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    From the comments, the editor added this clarification:

    The editor may not quite be getting the point that you're making, EEVIAC. But he did get the other point that people made. The original article was basically "I hate D&D, and oh yeah, I think I was supposed to review a game or something." To a certain degree, the editor did well to recognize that such a review is not truly a review of the game.

    I think a bigger test will be to see the new review that goes up next week. Do they just pander to the audience and gush about the game? Do they leave the crappy review almost untouched, with just the "I hate D&D" parts muted? Either way would be a ripoff in my opinion. They need a review which points out the good & bad of this particular game -- not generalities about D&D itself.
     
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  22. psycojester Arbiter

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    Hang on.... That was a genuine review? I thought it was one of those retarded reader reviews. The hackneyed writing style and general lack of direction throughout definately made it seem like one.
     
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  23. Claw Erudite Patron

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    Say what? So the review isn't really unfair, it just seems unfair?
     
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  24. Elwro Arcane

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    The "I stand by my author" comment by the editor (?) at QT3 is funny. It's as if a concerned mother came to a math teacher and said "Well, I know that my kid didn't do his homework, but I fully support him!"
     
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  25. Jason chasing a bee

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    On a side note, Eurogamer posted their review (8/10) by Kieron "I love the sound of my own voice" Gillen.
     
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