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Editorial 2005: The Year in Review

Volourn

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"Especially the Fisher Price abominations that Bioware Games have become (I'm looking at your NWN OC, KOTOR and JE)."

Then stop playing, and buying them!

I await your reviews on JE2, ME1+2+3, and DA!


"The reaction is predictable, people respond to vitriol with vitriol, but if you left out the "vitriol nobody would read it--this pretty much sums up the codex."

So true which is why I the Codex rocks! If I feel the need to insult someone with very bad words this is the place I come to!


It's certainly true that Troika could have greatly scaled back the ambitions they had for their games, and perhaps avoided the many shortcomings that earned the reputation of bugginess, and it's also true that Troika could have chosen to make low risk "slam dunk!" titles. The fact that they didn't provided us with 3 great games that were also, sadly, disappointing when they fell short of the high bar.

Temple of Elemental Evil may frustrate the shit out of me at times, but it doesn't make a concerted effort toward constant irritation, like say, Baldur's Gate. It also has some shining moments where I can sit down, lose myself for a few hours, and forget the many flaws.

Bloodlines, likewise. I can live through the shabby linear combat sections, knowing what high points are there to be enjoyed. It's not a game like Quake 4, where linear combat medicrity is all there is (highly polished though it may be).

Arcanum has probably run it's course with me, having explored almost all major avenues of plot and character development, leaving me to slowly lose enthusiasm as I experience the combat and linear main plot once more, but it managed to provide more enjoyment in even a single playthrough than Morrowind or NWN did in countless aborted attempts with a multitude of "different" characters.

So with that in mind, I'm glad Troika chose the path they did, even if it did sadly lead to their eventual demise. I'd rather celebrate flawed greatness than perfect mediocrity."

95% bullshit. 5% possible truth.
 

Volourn

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It works both ways. Your effort to defend the Codex at all costs all the while claiming 'you aren't one of them' is hilarious over wrought while making exuses for their lamesness, lies, and all that.


Good stuff though.

Start trouble then run and hide. Hahahahaha!
 

protobob

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Volourn said:
"Especially the Fisher Price abominations that Bioware Games have become (I'm looking at your NWN OC, KOTOR and JE)."

Then stop playing, and buying them!

I await your reviews on JE2, ME1+2+3, and DA!

Well, it's like this. I'm this guy shipwrecked on an island and nearly starved, see. And then one day this crates washes up on the shore and with much effort I get it open to find that it's full of those chepao bubblegum balls. Being starved that I am I eat some of these chewy sugary things, and maybe I'm a littlbe bit less hungry--but damn it, I'd much rather have had a crate of steak & veggies wash up, you know?
 

Volourn

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Your analogy, of course, fails when one relazies that you aren't in some abandoned island; but in a world where there are hundreds of agmes to play.

The bottom line is whether you admit it or not you like Bioware games just like the amjority of Codexers do even if they pretend they don't.

But, ti's not cool to like something that's popular in the mainstream. Heaven forbid that the Codex geeks like soemthing that the masses do.

R00fles!
 

Vault Dweller

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Volly is like a no-fly zone only with logic. Your analogy failed to penetrate the thick skull and bounced off safely.
 

Diogo Ribeiro

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Volourn said:
Your effort to defend the Codex at all costs

What effort? Doesn't take much effort in defending someone when the opposition can barely make coherent sentences or step down from their ill conceived moral high ground. Also, you unfortunately confuse defending the entirety of the Codex with the right to having a different opinion that doesn't follow the mainstream.

all the while claiming 'you aren't one of them' is hilarious over wrought

I'm sure in your world it only matters that I agree with them on some instances; the fact I'm not a part of the Codex staff, or that I've disagreed with the Codex staffers before on a number of issues just isn't worth talking about when it doesn't support your claims.

while making exuses for their lamesness, lies, and all that.

There's no place like home. There's no place like home. There's no place like home.

Sound familiar? It should.

Start trouble then run and hide. Hahahahaha!

Run and hide? Not really, but then again I guess I'm just tired of having the same arguments with you over and over again. We've sparred on the same subjects more times than what I care to count for, and it's always the same: either you agree and we come to a mutual understanding, or you just go into a flurry of nonsensical posts and with a "2 tuff 2 care" attitude. Unfortunately it seems lately you can only do that last one and since I'm not up to 14+ pages of treading the same ground with you - not because I can't or because it isn't easy to disprove what you've been saying - but because you're acting like Hades. Which is to say, you've made up your mind and want to take a piss at the Codex at all costs. My time's too little and therefore too precious to spend arguing with you on this subject.
 

Volourn

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"I'm sure in your world it only matters that I agree with them on some instances; the fact I'm not a part of the Codex staff, or that I've disagreed with the Codex staffers before on a number of issues just isn't worth talking about when it doesn't support your claims."

Boo hoo. You are the one who used the 'us' and 'we' statements so don't blame me if I put on on the same level as the Codex since you did so yourself in this very thread. :roll:


"moral high ground"

Oh please. I'm on no moral high ground. I'm as guilty as anyone here of being full of myself. Don't hate me when I poiont out the fact that the Codex is no better (or worse) than the 'mainstream'.


"Run and hide? Not really, but then again I guess I'm just tired of having the same arguments with you over and over again. We've sparred on the same subjects more times than what I care to count for, and it's always the same: either you agree and we come to a mutual understanding, or you just go into a flurry of nonsensical posts and with a "2 tuff 2 care" attitude. Unfortunately it seems lately you can only do that last one and since I'm not up to 14+ pages of treading the same ground with you - not because I can't or because it isn't easy to disprove what you've been saying - but because you're acting like Hades. Which is to say, you've made up your mind and want to take a piss at the Codex at all costs. My time's too little and therefore too precious to spend arguing with you on this subject."

In essence, what youa re saying is that when I agree with you I sound intelligent and reasonable. When I don't, I sound unintelligent and isane. Coincidence? I think not.

Hahaha.

Nice one.


As for 'attacking' the Codex, consideirng the fact I defend the Codex when I feel neccessary, I'm the last perosn to accuse of trying to somehow stop the Codex from their opinions.

Don't blame me for pointing out the fact that the article is full of lies, halftruths, and myths.
 

DarkUnderlord

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What I like is the two camps most of the comments on this article fall into.
  • Camp 1: OMG THEY HATE OBLIVION HOW COULD THEY THEY HAVEN'T EVEN PLAYED IT YET AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE THE GREATEST GAME EVAR!

    Camp 2: Wow, that article is harsh but you know, they make some good points...
Actually all that "but they haven't played it yet" reminds me of the responses I got to my article about how much FO:BOS was going to suck. My favourite quote though has to be someone who said (I've lost the link now) "According to them, there's been no decent RPG in years". Someone give that guy a medal for getting a clue.

Volourn said:
when I agree with you I sound intelligent and reasonable.
When have you ever sounded intelligent and reasonable?
 

Volourn

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"When have you ever sounded intelligent and reasonable?"

When our fellow Codexers do. :wink:
 

Greatatlantic

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Dark Underlord's Fallout: BoS Article said:
Interplay's just waiting for someone to put it out of its misery. I think that someone might be Team Chuck.

And they are still waiting for somebody to put them out of their misery. Until that time, they will continue to spread the misery. You know, reading that makes me want to start a campaign to Beth to keep Fallout as Fallout, at least consistency in the setting.
 

Diogo Ribeiro

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Volourn said:
You are the one who used the 'us' and 'we' statements so don't blame me if I put on on the same level as the Codex since you did so yourself in this very thread. :roll:

Being part of the Codex posters != being part of the Codex staff.

Now, feel free to ignore that bit of common sense I just posted and whip up some of that good ole r00fles.

In essence, what youa re saying is that when I agree with you I sound intelligent and reasonable. When I don't, I sound unintelligent and isane. Coincidence? I think not.

Not coincidence, just your obvious misinterpretation. You can be unintelligent and insane wheter I agree or disagree with you; I've said as much in the past, although let's face it, you've been ignoring it ever since and claim I think some warped version instead (like the one I've just quoted). What I'm saying is that now there isn't even an instance where I agree or disagree with you at all because you're being childish at best, incomprehensible at worst.
 

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Some priceless new quotes

did anyone notice that they said that we wernt getting shown any dialogue screens? OMG! the guys that wrot that know nothing about the game! there arent any because there isnt any dialogue screens its all spoken! they would know that if they had even watched the E3 video!

LAWL.

Lynch those taitors!! How dare they complain knowing very well that the devs are trying to make it as good as possible!

Lynching taters? Sounds like something Saint would be into.
 

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I like how they go on for ages about how we're just whiny losers and suck and so on and so forth and then wonder why their precious devs post here so much.
 

DarkUnderlord

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Spazmo said:
I like how they go on for ages about how we're just whiny losers and suck and so on and so forth and then wonder why their precious devs post here so much.
Oh, they have an answer for that one:

Nobunaga said:
The thing which I'm not entirely sure of is how the RPGcodex got the impression that developers give a damn... it's not as if Bethesda or any other developer cares what a such a small site thinks no matter how insulting it is... MSFD probable posts a lot because he likes the site not because Bethesda ordered him to convert them.
Developers don't give a damn but they post here because they like the site. Work that one out. Even funnier is MSFD has told us all why he posts here. It was something about learning about RPG development and what fans want or something (I'm sure someone can dig that up). Odd that.

Whipporowill said:
We may not, on the whole, be as sophisticated as the wankers at rpgcodex, but we sure are nicer people.
So what's with the threads all bashing the RPGCodex then, eh? Funnily enough, I see very few threads over here where we attack and complain about the TES Fanboys over on the TES Forums for 5 pages straight with nothing other than "OMG they're all ignorant [censored] in diapers LAWL".
 

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