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[DakaSha]

no shit

edit: but

 

[mountain hare]

Nintendo (platformer) games were much, much harder than what the PC had to offer during that period. Unfortunately the selection of adventure and cRPG games on the Nintendo and similar consoles was quite poor, due to not having a keyboard and all.

It's PC elitism to ignore the fact that gaming found its roots on consoles. Ahh, the good ole days, when games actually focused on gameplay.

 

[Jaesun]

The typical IGN/gamefaqs/whatever user that loves CoD shouldn't, by all means, be tagged as a "console player" in a pejorative way, it's simply an idiot with no taste, the same way the PC crowd is filled with retarded graphic whores that think Crysis is the epitome of gaming and mention it at every chance to prove the superiority of the PC.

Glad you finally just figured that out.

It gets even much worse....

 

[Satan]

Well. I owned many consoles, including NDS, Pegasus PS, PS2 and Xbox and some other old ones I barely remember, but the newest generation is just something I totally skipped due to lack of interesting games. The only new games that are worth of playing on consoles you can play fine on a computer anyway and I bought a good one instead of new consoles. Therefore I do think that's right - consoles declined a lot more than a PC ones.

 

[M_I_C_K_E_Y_M_O_U_S_E]

I don't know what else to think other than the codex just isn't really into the adventure, platformer or brawler genre. Because they've been pretty good on consoles lately, especially on the Wii.

 

[ArcturusXIV]

I enjoy my PS3.

God of War, Heavy Rain, Bayonetta, and a few others...

The PSN games are awesome, bro, and Sony just invested another mil towards independent development.

 

[DakaSha]

Well. I owned many consoles, including NDS, Pegasus PS, PS2 and Xbox and some other old ones I barely remember, but the newest generation is just something I totally skipped due to lack of interesting games. The only new games that are worth of playing on consoles you can play fine on a computer anyway and I bought a good one instead of new consoles. Therefore I do think that's right - consoles declined a lot more than a PC ones.

if this isnt a troll post then: those dont even count. get a snes, genesis, nes etc emulator and learn what good console games are

 

[DakaSha]

fuck im listening to castlevania music now. so good

 

[Cassidy]

The last console I had was a Genesis, 14 years ago, before I switched to PC gaming and never looked back except for emulating some PSOne games like Ace Combat series, Resident Evil series and the first Silent Hill.

I never ever touched a console from the post-decline era(I may be biased but the first Xbawks innaugurated the decline and led it at ahead full IMO, so I consider its release to be the rough divider between pre and post-decline consoles, even though the line is blurry).



Still, there is nothing wrong in calling consoletards consoletards, even because obviously it does not mean the same as console gamer. Achievements weren't invented for a single game, they were invented for Xbawks as a whole. Playing Contra and enjoying it != being consoletard. Playing Gears of War and finding it awesome while fapping to achievements and telling everyone online you did it OR Playing Contra and baawing it is too hard = consoletard

Spellcaster, I think most of the people who liked the classical console games, featuring things like limited lives and forced ironman, one-shot you get killed gameplay(IE:Contra) either moved in to PC gaming where they can currently get part of the old experience in certain indies, changed their hobby or embraced the decline. Remember that the kids twelve-year olds of nowadays have no idea of what playing a truly challenging action platformer game where you can't save and Game Over really means it as you'll have to start all over again if it happens is while we played such kinds of game when kids, thus they are molded into consoletards.

Decline of education and culture and other forms of entertainment can also be considered a cause, I suppose.

 

[Apollion]

Dude those people are here, its just the common codexer isn't inclined to admit it. I bought my first computer at first opportunity long after the pc "golden age". Point being I grew up with cheap nintendo and sega, and later sony. Imagine my surprise sometime around 2004 when I discovered Fallout, the NMA website, and through them the Codex. It was like the veils where lifted from my eyes and all that jazz.

Well not really, but damn Fallout/PS:T/Ultima/Roguelikes/etc beat the pants off of Final Fantasy repetitions.

I can't possibly be the only one here with that sort of introduction into PC gaming.

I don't get what any codexer would have against the likes of King's Field, Koei strategy games, or even straight up jrpgs like Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, and maybe the DQ series. Plus consoles have all the turn based goodness, codexers go into epileptic seizures over that stuff.

 

[MetalCraze]

I don't get what any codexer would have against the likes of King's Field, Koei strategy games, or even straight up jrpgs like Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, and maybe the DQ series.

Because they are primitive?
The main problem with representatives of a genre X on consoles is that due to controls they get horribly butchered. Unless it's a racing game which can benefit from analogue sticks (and even then you won't have a real sim there) or a fighting game which can benefit from you being able to press several buttons at once.

I mean imagine playing HoI3 with a gamepad. Or BG2 with a gamepad.

Plus consoles have all the turn based goodness, codexers go into epileptic seizures over that stuff.

That's just to get KKKs because turn-based is totally underground, man.

Some gameplay is better turn-based, some isn't.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

Skyway constantly has to remind us how complex and "brainy" his beloved ARMA 2 and other PC exclusive simulators, I mean games are. It's the only way he can vindicate his obvious intellectual shortcomings.

 

[Roguey]

I remember the NES/SNES/Genesis era and I can tell you there are maybe about a dozen games on each system that were any good at all, pretty much like now. If you only play the best sure you're thinking they were better but I also remember all the shovelware and mediocre crap quite well.

 

[spekkio]

Holy shit, a decent thread for a change!

You can safely try games up to PS2 and Gamecube era. Not counting the Xbox (there is no emulator anyway). After that, stick to handheld consoles, the "big" ones (PS3, Wii) have less than 10 "good but not instant classic" games IMO.

the first Xbawks inaugurated the decline and led it at ahead full IMO, so I consider its release to be the rough divider between pre and post-decline consoles

I remember the NES/SNES/Genesis era and I can tell you there are maybe about a dozen games on each system that were any good at all, pretty much like now.

I’m not sure if that’s the case. Shit old games are still shit. The problem is - the standards went down the drain. Old games rated as “average” back in the day are much better gameplay-wise than current “hits”. NES had at least 50 great games. PS1 as well. PC had ~10 great/classic titles every year. I don’t think we can say the same about PS3, Xbox360, Wii or past-2004 PC...

I state this again: IMO what killed SP gaming that we still love was... internet (PC) and Xbox (consoles).

SP console games were fun, less innovative than PC games (on average), but had better gameplay and were less buggy (again, on average). SP PC games were the opposite.
MP console games were fun as well: split screen goodness with up to 4 drunk people cannot go wrong.
Early MP PC games (LAN, early "internet" era) were fun as well: Doom, Quake, Starcraft, CS, etc. Playing with your BROs from class, neighborhood, etc. only not in front of one TV.

Then Xbox happened and everybody got an internet connection.
PC devs decided to switch to consoles, to avoid piracy and constantly increasing hardware requirements.
Console devs went online (Xbox Live! was great success for M$ after all) and joined the Halo / GTA / Diablo clone bandwagon. And one thing about achievements, downloadable content etc. - AFAIR this shit wasn’t introduced by console developers (Nintendo, CAPCOM) but by ex-PC fags who switched to consoles (Bungie, Valve - the horsemen of the apocalypse).
Jap devs went fully retardo with gay looking characters, cutscenes, j-pop and lowering the difficulty level (Final Fantasy is a great example of that).

The future:

• facebook applications and indie scene (PC devs),
• cellphone games (decent console devs will have to abandon handhelds when such platforms reach enough processing power to concentrate on 3d games only - see PSP problems with decent library of games),
• porn games (japs).

I cannot wait!
(goes back to Ogre Battle and Unreal)

 

[MetalCraze]

Roguey is right in that there always were a lot of shit games.

Except during '90s there were 10 times more good games and in varied genres.


Today it's all fucking console shooters everywhere.

 

[spekkio]

Console shooters? You mean this:

?

You mean current-gen games? But everybody wants to publish new Halo/CoD/GTA/Wow. All these series started on PC or created by PC developers.
Or maybe Nintendo, Sega or old Squaresoft are somehow responsible for current shitty state of PC-gaming?

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

I want.

 

[Ulminati]

Console shooters? You mean this:

Aren't those technically arcade shooters?

 

[spekkio]

^

Well, grab NullDC or Makaron for DC version or Dolphin for GC version.

http://www.mobygames.com/game/ikaruga

 

[MetalCraze]

All these series started on PC or created by PC developers.

So?

You mean PC devs are to blame for Fallout 3/NV?
Or for XCOM?
Or for OFP Faggot Rising

Geez man you are right those games have a lot in common with originals and not console devs milking the big name - what was I thinking?


Also there is no such thing as "current gen", stupid. It's next-gen. Next-gen.

 

[spekkio]

Console shooters? You mean this:

Aren't those technically arcade shooters?

Aren't old consoles cheap versions of arcade machines technically? But you have a point of course.
The moment when consoles lost their arcade roots was the beginning of their decline.

I'm just old enough to remember which games were called "shooters" before the 3d era...

 

[spekkio]

All these series started on PC or created by PC developers.

So?

You mean PC devs are to blame for Fallout 3/NV?

Geez man you are right those games have a lot in common with originals and not console devs milking the big name - what was I thinking.

Well... it seems to be the case.

Fallout 3

1. Game Director: Todd Howard

Active from glorious (?) Terminator times. And Morrowind. Didn't you like it back in the day, Skyway? By your today's standards it's shit of course, but still...

http://www.mobygames.com/developer/shee ... rId,16249/

2. Lead Designer: Emil Pagliarulo

Thief, Thief 2, Thief 3 - no single Mario game AFAIK...

http://www.mobygames.com/developer/shee ... rId,14020/

Most of other guys from Bethsoft are/were PC-devs by heart as well.

Some of them were working for Sega or Nintendo in the past? I must've skipped this somehow.



Of course "fucking Xbawks killed mah glorious PC gaming".
Fucking conolefags from Microsoft with their Age of Empires, Windows and Directx9c! And Bungie! What a total fags with their stupid shitty Myth games. And EA - fucking console publisher who killed such consoletards like Origin or Bullfrog. And speaking about Bullfrog - poor Peter was forced by this bastards to create consolefaggy Fable shit instead of another PC classic like Black & White 6.

 

[MetalCraze]

People who never did anything significant apart from being coffee bitches, yes.

 

[spekkio]

Well, who's a coffee bitch now?



Read the line above about Molyfaux. Let's try some guys who weren't cofee bitches back in the day (Thief):

http://www.mobygames.com/developer/shee ... erId,4988/
http://www.mobygames.com/developer/shee ... erId,6824/
http://www.mobygames.com/developer/shee ... erId,4975/
http://www.mobygames.com/developer/shee ... erId,4981/
http://www.mobygames.com/developer/shee ... erId,5429/

OLOLO, go back to GD where all one-trick trolls belong. Your act got old ~2008.