Crispy™ A Call For Peace -- Zarniwoop doesn't really like this thread title

[Prime Junta]

There is a middle ground between "rape threats are par for course" and "if you say a bad word you will get banned" you know. A fairly broad middle ground, even.

It's not like this place is no-moderation even now, or ever was.

But rape threats aren't par for the course.

You should see what this place used to be like. Believe me, it's pretty sanitary these days.

Joined: Feb 26, 2012

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

Is it so hard to just avoid GD and Pol if you don't want to read that stuff?

Many Codexers do exactly that and the game-related forums are pretty tame in comparison.

 

[Prime Junta]

Is it so hard to just avoid GD and Pol if you don't want to read that stuff?

Many Codexers do exactly that and the game-related forums are pretty tame in comparison.

Not at all. The problems only happen when shitposting from there spills over to the game-related forums (and yes, it does), and the fact that it (plus Site Feedback) give the Codex the unsavoury reputation it has. And yes, it has indeed cleaned up a great deal over the past several years. I suspect the recent increase in the number of games worth discussing has a lot to do with it.

A lot of the discussion in the game forums is good, even when it is, to use the diplomatic corps euphemism, frank and direct. But still, a line needs to be drawn, even if the line isn't always clear and there are judgment calls to make.

To put it in really simple terms derived from personal butthurt: tearing apart my Pillars review and calling me a shilling fag crybaby is perfectly fine. Leaking my work-in-progress review pre-emptively even to other sites and then proceeding to tear into it, and me, is not. Nor would threats of violence to me or mine be.*

(Want an example of a gray area? "All niggers must die" in a signature. Porn or shock pics in signatures are already forbidden, and from where I'm at, calling for racial genocide is way worse than a picture of a naked ass. Why allow one but not the other?)

*And yes, I do remember that the administration intervened in that. Eventually.

 

[Tacgnol]

To put it in really simple terms derived from personal butthurt: tearing apart my Pillars review and calling me a shilling fag crybaby is perfectly fine. Leaking my work-in-progress review pre-emptively even to other sites and then proceeding to tear into it, and me, is not. Nor would threats of violence to me or mine be.

And here we get down to the real reason for his saltiness, he's still butthurt over Sensuki leaking his shill review.

 

[Prime Junta]

To put it in really simple terms derived from personal butthurt: tearing apart my Pillars review and calling me a shilling fag crybaby is perfectly fine. Leaking my work-in-progress review pre-emptively even to other sites and then proceeding to tear into it, and me, is not. Nor would threats of violence to me or mine be.

And here we get down to the real reason for his saltiness, he's still butthurt over Sensuki leaking his shill review.

If you want to look for butthurt and tears, this thread is a pretty good example -- and only very few of them are mine. 'Tis a time-honored Codex tradition.

 

[Tacgnol]

To put it in really simple terms derived from personal butthurt: tearing apart my Pillars review and calling me a shilling fag crybaby is perfectly fine. Leaking my work-in-progress review pre-emptively even to other sites and then proceeding to tear into it, and me, is not. Nor would threats of violence to me or mine be.

And here we get down to the real reason for his saltiness, he's still butthurt over Sensuki leaking his shill review.

If you want to look for butthurt and tears, this thread is a pretty good example -- and only very few of them are mine. 'Tis a time-honored Codex tradition.

Seriously, just let it go man. You won that one, the rules got changed and the review got published.

Your over elaborate revenge plot of turning us into some SJW shill site like Neogaf is unnecessary.

 

[Prime Junta]

Your over elaborate revenge plot of turning us into some SJW shill site like Neogaf is unnecessary.

Perhaps. It's fun though. You do not mess with the Junta :ehue:

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It's cute that you think I have any pull at all with the administration though

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or indeed any revenge plot beyond not self-ejecting and occasionally voicing my genteel disapproval of the shenanigans and goings-on here

 

[AwesomeButton]

tearing apart my Pillars review and calling me a shilling fag crybaby is perfectly fine.

 

[Space Insect]

Is it so hard to just avoid GD and Pol if you don't want to read that stuff?

Many Codexers do exactly that and the game-related forums are pretty tame in comparison.

Not at all. The problems only happen when shitposting from there spills over to the game-related forums (and yes, it does), and the fact that it (plus Site Feedback) give the Codex the unsavoury reputation it has. And yes, it has indeed cleaned up a great deal over the past several years. I suspect the recent increase in the number of games worth discussing has a lot to do with it.

A lot of the discussion in the game forums is good, even when it is, to use the diplomatic corps euphemism, frank and direct. But still, a line needs to be drawn, even if the line isn't always clear and there are judgment calls to make.

To put it in really simple terms derived from personal butthurt: tearing apart my Pillars review and calling me a shilling fag crybaby is perfectly fine. Leaking my work-in-progress review pre-emptively even to other sites and then proceeding to tear into it, and me, is not. Nor would threats of violence to me or mine be.*

(Want an example of a gray area? "All niggers must die" in a signature. Porn or shock pics in signatures are already forbidden, and from where I'm at, calling for racial genocide is way worse than a picture of a naked ass. Why allow one but not the other?)

*And yes, I do remember that the administration intervened in that. Eventually.

Do we really want to have a better reputation like the Obsidian forums and the Bioware forums? Would that better reputation not make it easier for people who don't care to come in a worsen whatever RPG discussion even further? Then we'd need more power to the mods, more authoritarian policies. Where would the cycle of more power end? And where would be the point where the mods got enough power to ban those who don't agree like RPG.net and other sites do?

(btw it was a really idiotic idea to bring your butthurt over your pillars review back. That does nothing for your credibility).

 

[Prime Junta]

Do we really want to have a better reputation like the Obsidian forums and the Bioware forums?

Yes.

Would that better reputation not make it easier for people who don't care to come in a worsen whatever RPG discussion even further?

As opposed to the "all niggers must die" crowd who show up here now?

Then we'd need more power to the mods, more authoritarian policies.

You think they'd behave worse than the scum causing all the trouble here now?

Where would the cycle of more power end? And where would be the point where the mods got enough power to ban those who don't agree like RPG.net and other sites do?

"Where to draw the line" is a question every site has to deal with. The Codex has drawn plenty of lines, just read the site rules. Circumstances change, and so do the lines. Overly-strict moderation is as untenable as complete anarchy.

(btw it was a really idiotic idea to bring your butthurt over your pillars review back. That does nothing for your credibility).

I am touched by your concern over my credibility.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Do we really want to have a better reputation like the Obsidian forums and the Bioware forums? Would that better reputation not make it easier for people who don't care to come in a worsen whatever RPG discussion even further? Then we'd need more power to the mods, more authoritarian policies. Where would the cycle of more power end? And where would be the point where the mods got enough power to ban those who don't agree like RPG.net and other sites do?

This is a slippery slope fallacy. Having a better moderation on anywhere not GD will not make the site into RPG.net automatically as long the mods themselves know exactly where they want this site to be. The same fallacy I could use to say that if we let retarded GGs and shit flinging monkeys continue to post, with time, with the lack of common sense, this site will devolve into 4chan.

 

[Space Insect]

Do we really want to have a better reputation like the Obsidian forums and the Bioware forums? Would that better reputation not make it easier for people who don't care to come in a worsen whatever RPG discussion even further? Then we'd need more power to the mods, more authoritarian policies. Where would the cycle of more power end? And where would be the point where the mods got enough power to ban those who don't agree like RPG.net and other sites do?

This is a slippery slope fallacy. Having a better moderation on anywhere not GD will not make the site into RPG.net automatically as long the mods themselves know exactly where they want this site to be. The same fallacy I could use to say that if we let retarded GGs and shit flinging monkeys continue to post, with time, with the lack of common sense, this site will devolve into 4chan.

But the mods don't know where they want to be. Infinitron isulted the Codex of the past and he and Crooked Bee seem to want to transform us into a mainstream legitimate site. We have a twitter account! idhtftc seems to just want to troll and praank. Ventilator of Doom seems to want things to stay the same. Crispy seems to want some sort of peace, but who can tell with a person like him. So I would say, no, the mods have no unified idea of what this site should be.

 

[Infinitron]

Hey Prime Junta, less whining more reviewing.

P.S. The Obsidian forums have a good reputation? They're a den of passive-aggressiveness and uncontrolled discussion. IMO the Codex actually has more moderation than most official company forums. It's just that our moderation policy doesn't forbid swear words and racism. Other than that, off topic bullshit and general idiocy get smacked down here way quicker.

 

[Prime Junta]

But the mods don't know where they want to be. Infinitron isulted the Codex of the past and he and Crooked Bee seem to want to transform us into a mainstream legitimate site. We have a twitter account! idhtftc seems to just want to troll and praank. Ventilator of Doom seems to want things to stay the same. Crispy seems to want some sort of peace, but who can tell with a person like him. So I would say, no, the mods have no unified idea of what this site should be.

So, you're demanding complete consensus from the mods/administration, and that the complete consensus follows your view of what the Codex should be?

Interesting take on teh freedom.

 

[Ellef]

Brofisting infinitron about moderation

 

[Darth Roxor]

Hey Prime Junta, less whining more reviewing.

of the two evils i think i'd rather he kept whining

 

[Prime Junta]

Whine or review, you guys are really making this a hard choice. Maybe I'll do both.

 

[Space Insect]

But the mods don't know where they want to be. Infinitron isulted the Codex of the past and he and Crooked Bee seem to want to transform us into a mainstream legitimate site. We have a twitter account! idhtftc seems to just want to troll and praank. Ventilator of Doom seems to want things to stay the same. Crispy seems to want some sort of peace, but who can tell with a person like him. So I would say, no, the mods have no unified idea of what this site should be.

So, you're demanding complete consensus from the mods/administration, and that the complete consensus follows your view of what the Codex should be?

Interesting take on teh freedom.

Nice job forgetting that I was replying to this sentence:
"Having a better moderation on anywhere not GD will not make the site into RPG.net automatically as long the mods themselves know exactly where they want this site to be."
I don't demand that all the mods agree with each other, but the mods do not know exatly where they want this site to be. And where did you get the idea that I "demand" that their consensus agrees with me? Yes, I do have my opinion of what I believe this site should be, but even if it is not exactly what I want, I'll still go here because it's a better alternative than most forums.

 

[Lurker King]

And what would your reaction be if said asshat told some irrelevant poster the same outside gd?

I'm not sure what exactly you're asking here. In general, I believe that there are some lines that shouldn't be crossed but some people would disagree. Should we have double standards, treat developers one way and "irrelevant posters" another way? Probably. Not because the developers are awesome and deserve the nicest things but because most of them come (well, used to come) to talk about design not participate in shit-flinging contests. This distinction is easy to understand, no?

I think the discussion is misplaced. There should standards, but not because we are repelling developers, but because we are repelling intelligent people who has no patience for shitposting. I learned more with some posters here than with all the developers’ interviews I read to this day. Besides, I think Vault Dweller is wrongly assuming that most developers are like him and have the energy to participate actively in these discussions.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

I think the discussion is misplaced. There should standards, but not because we are repelling developers, but because we are repelling intelligent people who has no patience for shitposting.

for the lack of my brofisting ability.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Cuckdex

GD

Just leave us alone, you enjoy your safe spaces and three sea-shelling .

 

[Infinitron]

Chris Avellone is from Cuckdex?

 

[Irenaeus]

Chris Avellone is from Cuckdex?

Totally uncalled for

 

[laclongquan]

Why the hell do we stray from Crispy conference for peace onto this rehash of old argument?

 

[mondblut]

we let retarded GGs... continue to post

Having a better moderation on anywhere not GD will not make the site into RPG.net automatically

But you wish it would, huh?

And that's, gentlemen, is precisely why Codex needs as much rape threats and racism as the words can carry.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

But you wish it would, huh?

And that's, gentlemen, is precisely why Codex needs as much rape threats and racism as the words can carry.

Can you do something better than an ad hominem attack? I guess this is the mental level retarded GGs are capable of?