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A History of RPGs short essay by Matt Coleman

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Angelo85, Oct 25, 2011.

  1. Angelo85 Arcane Patron

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    Matt Coleman wrote an... informative piece titled 'A History of RPGs' over at IGN.
    Thoughts?

    I especially like his closing remark
    I agree. We are facing a nearly limitless future - yet we have to put up with one banal, shit, boring interactive movie after another. Mankind has the tools, but yet we lack the vision.

    Yeah, just look at our Top10 RPGs of 2011 thread(s) :lol:
     
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  2. octavius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    History of RPGs? Shouldn't that be "History of JRPGs"?
     
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  3. Machocruz Arcane

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    IGN. IGN never changes.
     
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  4. LemmingCake Novice

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    Why does that last sentence remind me of Bioware?
     
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  5. Kron Arcane

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    Fallout came out the same year as Final fantasy VII.
    Just saying.
     
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    I didn't even bother to read it :smug:
     
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  7. octavius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    It's weird, but in the 80's and 90's I barely knew consoles existed. Most console games were platform games of which I didn't have the slightest interest. Everyone I knew (of) had first Spectrum (in Europe), Apple II (US) or C64 (both) before moving on to Amiga, Atari ST or DOS and then on to Windows PCs.
    The only Japanese CRPG I heard much about and was tempted to try untill I saw the vomit inducing anime faces, was FF 7.

    But now nearly everyone (Codexers, CRPG Addict and Matt Barton being exceptions) talks about the history of CRPGs as if it mostly was Japanese console games. Was I blind at the time? Or did most of the computer gamers stop playing, while all the console kids continued playing and are now the ones who write articles and essays on the subject?
     
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  8. Flatlander Liturgist

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    Probably a regional thing. I was very surprised when I first learned how highly regarded the Nintendo consoles are in the US.

    Back when I was a kid nobody would have wanted a console, especially not a Nintendo one. They were mostly considered as technologically inferior toys used to play simplistic platform games aimed at slightly retarded 8 year olds.
     
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    well i had a NES and a C64 when i was a kid, but i gamed more on the C64.
     
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    Can you diss their articles on their website?
     
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  13. MMXI Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Yeah. I've said multiple times that it seems like the only pre-Fallout RPGs ever mentioned on mainstream sites are SNES-era JRPGs. It gives gaming newbies the impression that western RPGs are a new phenomenon. Ask a standard Obliviontard to name the oldest RPG they know and it'll probably be something like Final Fantasy or Chrono Trigger rather than Ultima, Wizardry, Phantasie or The Bard's tale.

    It gets worse over time too. People now say that western RPGs are defined as being real-time, as opposed to JRPGs that are defined as being turn-based. Games like Fallout and the Infinity Engine games are being called "too dated" while SNES RPGs are still talked about and recommended with affection.

    It's painful reading "wRPG v JRPG" threads on shitty sites like gamespot. The western RPG proponents in those threads bang on about how unrealistic turn-based combat is and how Oblivion is so much better because you can LARP in it. If you were to go into a thread like that and post something about how the Gold Box games shit on JRPGs and Oblivion you'll get looked at rather oddly by both sides of the argument.

    It makes me fucking rage.
     
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    Endless is the battle of the righteous.
     
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  15. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    RPG Wokedex Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    What I suspect is that - to the Codex's horror - most of the fans of the old Western RPGs are generally happy with the direction the genre has gone, or at least were until maybe the past couple of years (or maybe even right up until the release of DA2).
     
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  16. Excidium P. banal

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    I think most people that played RPGs in the 80's and early 90's just grew past video games.
     
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  17. Jaesun Fabulous Moderator

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    As long as Publishers keep making money on these shit games, they will keep making them.
     
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  18. MMXI Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Fixed.

    The Quest of the Avatar is Forever.
     
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  19. Murk Arcane

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    At break of day, until our light fails, march ever on...
     
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    Codex 2013 Codex 2014 PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire MCA Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    Not only on the Codex, I believe.
     
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  21. Giauz Ragnacock Scholar

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    I think one of the big things concerning why SNES era console RPGs get a lot of the spotlight is their pick-up-and-play nature and the greater exposure to the public they got (then again I didn't truly know anything about nor seen one until around 2004 when a friend at work started telling me about Final Fantasy 7, VtM:B, and PS:T [if I remember right, he said he always chose "raised by snake handlers"]).

    What I mean by pick-up-and-play is that I rarely have to look at a manual in order to understand how the game's controls work like I have had to do for Ultima 4 and Wasteland. So, yeah, prevelance, ease of use, and the charm that can accompy youth appropriateness are probably some of the big reasons for the many fond memory writings concerning console RPGs.

    Also, I found this history of CRPGs to be pretty good:

    http://www.mobygames.com/featured_artic ... ction,207/
     
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  22. MMXI Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Seriously?

    :retarded:

    :retarded:

    :retarded:

    Can't be fucked to read any more.
     
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  23. Jaesun Fabulous Moderator

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    I'm glad you read it. I can't take too much more SANITY hits..
     
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  24. Roguey Codex Staff Sawyerite

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    I found the massive amount of smug from that Moby Games storyfan extraordinarily satisfying. Most p&p people I've known are like him and they love the direction role playing video games are going.
     
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