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Incline Age of Decadence - Tips, Tricks and Spoilers

Discussion in 'Iron Tower Studio' started by Kem0sabe, Oct 14, 2015.

  1. d1nolore Learned

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    No, he’s full of shite.
     
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  2. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    Strap Yourselves In Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Tactics and preparation are combat skills though. :lol:
     
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  3. d1nolore Learned

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    This is such a load of bull.
    So many encounters will kill you with ranged combat before you can waste all or supplies and many encounters start in very close combat. No dodge or block? You won’t survive to use all your supplies. Supplies are also limited so winning a couple of fights this way is not exactly unbalanced or broken, while you avoid 95% of the combat in the game . Your premise is bullshit, and you lack perception.
     
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  4. Parabalus Arcane

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    You can easily get by with 0 dodge or block, see 3rd arena challenger for an example.

    You can also get by with 0 offensive combat skills by stacking training + bonuses, and spamming consumables.

    But both of those, along with no alchemy or crafting? Very doubtful.
     
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  5. Jason Liang Arcane

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    I probably wouldn't try it with zero alchemy and crafting. Like I said, some points in alchemy and crafting would make things much easier. As you know, my preferred weapons are poisoned hand xbows.
    But you are the one that considers those combat skills, when they are clearly not considered those by the game:D
     
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  6. d1nolore Learned

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    You can if you are picking non combat options majority of the time. But getting by is a long way from easy and broken. System is pretty balanced for what it is and the mechanics have a steep learning curve so giving the impression that combat is easy and broken for a new player is misinformation. AoD combat is hard and punishing, until you learn the system then it becomes manageable. Combat is also avoidable.
     
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  7. d1nolore Learned

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    How long before you get your hand crossbows and how much combat is avoided? Because without defence you’ll run out of supplies fast, and you’ll be reloading when you get unlucky with ranged opponents. There are also fights that you won’t encounter on every play through that you won’t win with this tactic, but you won’t know that because these are easily avoidable. I think you are overstating your non combat characters abilities.
     
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  8. Jason Liang Arcane

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    No. Search my old posts.

    https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/recommend-me-something.113478/page-2#post-4958811
    https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/best-combat-build-for-a-first-timer.113202/page-4#post-4963709
    https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/best-combat-build-for-a-first-timer.113202/page-4#post-4963238
    https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/best-combat-build-for-a-first-timer.113202/page-4#post-4953412
    https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/best-combat-build-for-a-first-timer.113202/page-4#post-4956654
    https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/best-combat-build-for-a-first-timer.113202/page-4#post-4962908

    And this was even before they added the blue steel marculus in Teron
     
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  9. Parabalus Arcane

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    No, I meant clearing all combat encounters.
     
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  10. d1nolore Learned

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    Your posts disprove your points. They are a tale of trial, error, frustration, and luck not to mention countless reloading. How many 100’s of reloads did you have to go through to do this? So yes you are full of it and spreading misinformation. This is not a viable way to play.
     
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  11. Jason Liang Arcane

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    No. I just know AoD's combat system far better than you do.

    As for my points, why I feel AoD's combat is shit:
    - Bolas, knockdown, bombs, longbows, hand xbows and alchemy are all broken mechanics
    - The AI is gimped to never attempt to attack you with knockdown, since knockdown is broken
    - The game showers you with the endgame or near endgame gear, like Old Faithful, Bolter, the arbiter, and the gear you loot from the Arena, once you get to Act 2, trivializing late-to-end game battles.
    - AoD's combat is only interesting if you play without combat skills. If you actually play normally and level up your weapon and defense skills, the game's combat is a joke

    All of which are true and clearly evident.
     
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  12. d1nolore Learned

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    You obviously do, you’ve played every encounter 300 times. When you make these claims please put a citation indicating how many times you need to reload and get lucky rolls, reference your own posts.
     
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  13. Jason Liang Arcane

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    None of the fights need exceptional luck to beat. I win these battles by using actual tactics, not by "countless reloading."

    As for trial and error, sure. How else do you learn to play the game with actual tactics? How else do you learn where to stand and where to move and which enemies need to die first, and which weapons and armor you need to prep, for each battle?

    Learn to use bolas, knockdowns, bombs, longbows and hand xbows, and you'll see what a joke AoD's combat is. AoD's combat played normally requires near zero actual tactics. Which is why it's shit.
     
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  14. d1nolore Learned

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    These are all your quotes:

    There is something wrong with your brain if you've spent 100's of hours in the game repeating the same battles over and over, trying different builds and tactics..... all to prove that the game is shit and broken?
    Look at all the time and effort put into the game by you. All the posts and screenshots! And you had a horrible time in the shit broken game?....

    Final word; stop spreading misinformation. Get some insight and perception. Admit you loved AoD thats why you spent so much time on it.

    :love:
     
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  15. Jason Liang Arcane

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    That's literally some of the most fun times I've ever had with a computer game-
    - learning how to win "unwinable" battles in HoMM3
    - learning how to win the challenge battles in Sengoku Rance, Rance VI and Rance X, and playing those games on the highest difficulty levels. Nothing comes even close to the feeling of beating Orochi in Sengoku Rance, or beating Medusa, Kesselring or La Hawzel in Rance X
    - spending an entire evening to figure out how to beat the Shadow Dragon in Baldur's Gate 2 the first time

    etc... It's just how I game.

    Also, I do like shooting people in their extremities with hand xbows.

    With the best games (like Sengoku Rance and Rance X), the more I play them the more I realize their balance and brilliance. With AoD, the more I played it, the more evident it became that the game's combat was actually deeply flawed and shit. I can't stand games that are supposed to be "tactical" and praised for their good combat, but actually the AI is completely gimped and pozzed. Which is all AoD offers (although Underrail is no better).

    I was fed up with all the dumb posts of people bragging about their dumb ax murder hobo. That is not tactics. And I was kind of disgusted because the work Iron Tower did that actually deserves praise, which is the careful, exquisite encounter design, is basically completely ignored if you play the game normally. Iron Tower actually made a good game with lovely tactics. They just decided to smear all their work under a suffocating, viscuous layer of diarrhea when they finally released the game. I assume they did that because they thought the players were used to smelling and tasting diarrhea on rpgs.

    Check my sig for my true feelings about AoD. In the end, just another disappointment from the past 10 years of rpgs.
     
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  16. Parabalus Arcane

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    • Bolas and bombs yes, but even the former is not useful when outnumbered
    • Because knockdown is much better for the AI since you are outnumbered. DR AI uses it.
    • None of those are endgame equipment or comparable to crafting stuff
    • All of your saves have lots of combat skills, throwing for the xbow THC and CS
    They removed the knockdown on xbows btw, they just stagger now.

    Would be nice to see how you deal with e.g. the thief ambush or some fights in ganezzar, or bass ambush. Or even just Teron, with no combat skills.

    Maybe you were just less jaded?

    I doubt you'd find it as hard today.
     
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  17. Jason Liang Arcane

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    Well, afaik you can't craft better bows than Old Faithful and Bolter, and some of the Arena loot and some of the other gear you can buy from Maadoran markets is the best stuff in the game. Besides which all can easily carry you through the end game.
    The CS doesn't really effect the battles much at all. It does make some fights easier ofc by removing an enemy like Esbenus for example. Still, nothing that can't be compensated for by an extra bomb. Throwing is for rope climbing ofc but you can certainly do without if you really wanted the challenge.
    There are some path-specific fights that are probably impossible with zero combat skills - the example I'm thinking of is fighting the entire Thief's guild early in Teron (otoh fighting the Assassin's guild by betraying them to IG I've done with zero combat skills). Harran's Pass is probably beatable without combat skills but it would also probably be miserable, since that actually is one fight with a large RNG component. Zero combat skill IG playthrough would be a well-deserved achievement. I don't remember the bass ambush. Other than a few other specific examples, I'm confident every fight is easily manageable once you get the Bolter.

    As for the Shadow Dragon, it's true that now it's not a challenging fight (but then if I played it now I wouldn't go to Umar Hills immediately after escaping Chateau Irenicus either). But I do remember the first time beating it very fondly- and likely the reason why I'm so fond of Mazzy.
     
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  18. KateMicucci Savant

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    There's a hand crossbow for sale for like 24 gold in the first town.

    But yeah my loremaster struggled to even beat the first arena fight without using bombs and he had really good gear. Idk how he'd be able to win against 3+ guys with more than knives and rags.
     
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  19. Parabalus Arcane

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    You'll run out of bombs to spam.

    With no combat skills? Doubtful. THC would be too low.

    You can space marine them down, easiest way if you have shitty combat attributes.
     
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  20. Technomancer Savant

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    I did it with a loremaster relying on crafting and poison. It's ok to delay arena until you have more stuff and SP. I beat 3 arena centurions with blue steel plate and spear, poisoned and sharpened naturally. This was the only fight on arena where I used a bomb. There are plenty of sharpening stones but you need to preserve bombs as much as possible and use them only in the most difficult fights if your physical stats are low.
     
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  21. The Last Blackguard Scholar

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    So...I didn't listen to this game's advice, and tried making a hybrid character. Mostly combat, some streetwise.

    I'm having a hard time at the mine outpost fight in act one.

    Is there a good metric on where my combat skills should be? I have bows at, like, 74, and dodge at 70.
     
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  22. Jason Liang Arcane

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    Just use some tactics. For the first half of the fight, kite the melee enemy and force the crossbowman to come down to engage you. He can't move far, reload and shoot you on the same turn, and you can kill him easily by either basing him every turn or wait for him to run out of arrows. For kiting the melee, focus on fast attacks and poison to help you kite.
    For the second half of the fight, use the worker fodder to shield you from the two soldiers. There are some choke points where you can get the worker to block the way so that you can't get hit by the soldiers.
    Note that you want to do both fights one after another since if you leave and come back, the 2nd fight will be much more difficult.

    Bow 74/ Dodge 70 is already more than enough to clear the whole game. As soon as you get to Maadoran, you'll get a bow that will boost your attack to 100+. Still, for your first playthrough, a good rule of thumb for all your skills (including non-combat) is 1-6 for act 1, 6-8 for act 2, and 8-10 for act 3.
     
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    Also use Rhaskos in the shanty town (you'll have to ask in the merchant plaza to find him) to poison the soldiers from the mine. More alchemy points = stronger poison, which make things easier
     
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  24. Technomancer Savant

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    Or just ask Coltan to give you the most powerful poison if you are with the boatmen.
     
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