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The Witcher Analysis: How Witcher 3 could have been much better.

  • Thread starter Duralux for Durabux
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Is Witcher 3 dissapointing?

  • Yes

    Votes: 43 35.2%
  • No

    Votes: 54 44.3%
  • Kingcomrade

    Votes: 25 20.5%

  • Total voters
    122

Tigranes

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Just a quick reminder that witcher 3 is ranked above gothic 1,Kotor 2, Baldur's gate, underrail, Wizardry 8, System shock 2. IT IS FAR TOO HIGH.

It's at least partly an artifact of the voting process. You can't vote for Wiz 8 if you've never played it, for example. And games like BG2 or TW3 tend to have a broad reach where many Codexers will find it fairly good, whereas Gothic, despite being a far superior game, will have people who just can't get into it.
 

JDR13

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If we give you a witcher doll, can you show us where Geralt touched you?
Can you try to prove me that i'm actually wrong instead of constantly attacking me or saying that i'm traumatized by the witcher ? Clear sign of someone who doesn't have any argument to respond.
Edit: And to answer your question, i'm extremely salty because everyone here and outside advertise something which don't exist in reality.

There's nothing to prove wrong or right here. It's just an opinion.

We're not fucking with you because you don't like TW3, we're fucking with you because you obviously have a severe case of autism when it comes to this game.
 

Quillon

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My disappointments were...off the top of my head:

W3's rendering W2 pointless.
Combat; which I thought should have been a lot better than TW2 with 1 sec. anims for every move/more responsive instead of locking into long animations etc, in the end fighting against humans were boring and against monsters weird with their uneven hitboxes. Also a VATS like system was cut, can't even imagine what it should look like tho.
They promised a more simulated gameworld; at least with the economy and wildlife ecosystem which weren't realized in the end.
Gfx/color palette changes during development, they went too pastel, as well as downgrades. It looked just way better in earlier trailers.

Otherwise its a cool game, yo.
 

Tigranes

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Which game is more deserving and should take the spot then ?
Fallout 1 and Planetscape Torment only.

Why do you think that Planescape Torment should be any higher than Witcher 3 on the list? Both games exceed most other games when it comes to the story and presentation, but Witcher 3, and Planescape Torment fail heavily gameplay-wise. At the end of the day, it's all about your preference, eg, do you prefer a more alien, or a low-key fantasy setting.

No, it's got to do with how Torment's writing is magnitudes superior to TW3's.

"Both X and Y are good at one thing and bad at the other, so clearly they're equal in quality" is logically incoherent.
 

Duralux for Durabux

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No, it's got to do with how Torment's writing is magnitudes superior to TW3's.

"Both X and Y are good at one thing and bad at the other, so clearly they're equal in quality" is logically incoherent.
Perfectly.
 

Duralux for Durabux

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There's nothing to prove wrong or right here. It's just an opinion. Did you actually think you were presenting facts?

We're not fucking with you because you don't like TW3, we're fucking with you because you obviously have a severe case of autism when it comes to this game.
Those are not opinions, those are real flaws for everyone who played this game and isn't a complete fanboy of CDPR just like you. Besides , again you attack me AD PERSONAM,not my arguments. So i guess you are in Damage control.
 
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JDR13

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No, it's got to do with how Torment's writing is magnitudes superior to TW3's.

"Both X and Y are good at one thing and bad at the other, so clearly they're equal in quality" is logically incoherent.

That would be your opinion. I didn't find PST's writing to be "the greatest evar!" as some do.
 

jackofshadows

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What are you saying is basically that the game is overrated. But it isn't. It's a really great game. As an RPG kinda meh but who cares? If you're butthurt by specific place in Codex's rating then look more closely to it. Damn, it even ends up with motherfucking Oblivion.
 

JDR13

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There's nothing to prove wrong or right here. It's just an opinion. Did you actually think you were presenting facts?

We're not fucking with you because you don't like TW3, we're fucking with you because you obviously have a severe case of autism when it comes to this game.
It's not opinions, it's real flaws for everyone who played this game and isn't a complete fanboy of CDPR just like you. Besides , again you attack me AD PERSONAM,not my arguments. So i guess you are in Damage control.

Most of what you wrote is subjective. It's pretty funny that you can't tell the difference and only further shows how autistic you're being about the whole thing.
 

Duralux for Durabux

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Most of what you wrote is subjective. It's pretty funny that you can't tell the difference and only further shows how autistic you're being about the whoile thing.
It is not subjective, i finished the game 2 times because i wanted to know what is masjectic in it .
I watched additional gameplay because i wanted to know if it was me that can't appreciate the game. And then i came to the conclusion that this game isn't what everyone told .
Those are real flaws,get your eyes checked and you will see.
 
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V_K

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How can Witcher 3 be improved? In 3 easy steps:
- Make it turn-based;
- Add a proper character system;
- Get rid of Geralt and make it party-based.
Done. You've turned it into a good game.
 

JDR13

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Semiurge

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Compared to 1 & 2 together it may be a disappointment, but as a standalone game, no. Witcher 1 was pure slavic horror that the sequels never recaptured, and Witcher 2 was a compact and fast-paced adventure of political intrigue. The big world dilutes both of those elements into passing encounters.
 

Carrion

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No, it's got to do with how Torment's writing is magnitudes superior to TW3's.
Torment wins by default since it has a coherent main story unlike TW3, but I do think that some individual parts of TW3's writing are on par with PS:T, even though their style is of course very different (and CDPR has cinematic camera angles and full voice acting to work with, which might or might not make things easier for them). CDPR are especially good at writing character interactions, routinely pulling off stuff that most game writers can't even dream of, whether it's a big dramatic scene or just casual small talk between two carefully established characters. Most of it probably doesn't stand out the same way that the memorable stuff in PS:T does, but I don't conisder it any less impressive. CDPR did drop the ball hard several times towards the end of the game, though.

I'm not sure I've ever seen such a personal crusade against a game like the one the OP is on.
Falksi
 

Wunderbar

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You'll have to remake the whole game almost from scratch to fix it. Empty ubisoft-like open world filled with checklist crap, braindead combat, shitty RPG system with level-scaled enemies, shitty itemization, downgraded alchemy, poor enemy variety, etc etc. Witcher 3 succeeded only because of writing and production qualities.
 

Duralux for Durabux

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You'll have to remake the whole game almost from scratch to fix it. Empty ubisoft-like open world filled with checklist crap, braindead combat, shitty RPG system with level-scaled enemies, shitty itemization, downgraded alchemy, poor enemy variety, etc etc. Witcher 3 succeeded only because of writing and production qualities.
Pretty much all the points i have quoted above and even writing is copy-paste(Witcher's contracts, Treasure quests for exemple)
That's why i said that Witcher 3 needed to be entirely overhauled.
Here is a quick exemple of i'm saying.
Let's compare the Father Gascoigne (First Boss in Bloodborne) vs The Chief of the Wild Hunt(the last boss in Witcher 3)
When Father Gascoigne uses his axe in one Hand he can:
Single attack you with his axe.
Attack while jumping.
dodges and attack
rolls and then attack.
He scrapes the ground with his axe and then attck you with it.
Does a concentrate attack on you to do more damage
Uses his pistol to destabilize you.
When father Gascoigne uses his axe in one two hand:
Does a thrust attack with his axe
Does a concentrate attack
uses his pistol while using his axe in two hand.
Does a single attack
When father Gascoigne is in Beast mode:
Claw attacks
High kick attacks
Attacks from above
Uses all of this strength to do a strong powerfull attack with his claws
Father Gascoigne has 14 DIFFERENTS TYPES OF ATTACKS.

Now Witcher's last boss:
Can do a single attack.
Can teleport.
Can do a magic attack
He can parries.
Can destabilizes you with his legs.
Eredin Has 5 differents types of attacks
Here is the proof.Needed twice as much work to be a powerfull smart boss

 

lukaszek

the determinator
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deterministic system > RNG
 
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