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Ancient lizard civilization in RPGs?

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by fantadomat, May 12, 2019.

  1. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    I have noticed that quite a few games use that as a plot. A old lizard empire that got fucked up by the ice age and are returning to conquer the world. I am curious of which game is the progenitor of this kind of nerd lore. Is it come from D&D table top or was it firstly seen in pc games? Also do you thing that the whole "lizard people" conspiracy came from the game industry initially or there were insane people that believed it before that?
     
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  2. zaper Yes. Developer

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    IDK, my mIRC based group of Ultima Online roleplayers have been using lizard motiffs and aesthetics since early 2000~.

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    I always thought it was some kind of inside joke but I eventually realized that it was all over the virtual sphere of cultural reference, with reptilians owning the world and what not.
     
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    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/325661.West_of_Eden
    There, you can read some low quality book from famous SF author.

    Or they could use Greek myths which had lizardmen.
     
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  5. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Hahahaha i am in act three,replaying the game and was thinking that they do use the ancient lizard a lot in games. :lol:


    I am curious about the origin of the lizard people myth. Most nerd shit have some kind of lizard people. The interesting part is from where it came.
     
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  6. oldmanpaco Master of Siestas

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    Weren't the Lizard Men in D&D some sort of remnant of a fallen civilization? That's the first time I can remeber lizard people being part of ancient lore in a game.

    This is more more Alt History than an old Lizard Empire. But the Lizard/Man sex gave 12 year old me the strangest boner.
     
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    you are asking too many questions
     
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  9. Humanophage Arcane

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    Reptile worship, and especially serpent worship, is strongly associated with ancient cults and the underworld. It's the pre-eminent chthonic creature. E.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_worship or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_(symbolism). It frequently represents something that a newer generation of gods defeated.

    Robert E. Howard's works already featured reptilian empires in the 1920s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_Men
    Seems largely indistinguishable from what we see nowadays, except now they occasionally add Mesoamerican motifs.

    Then there is of course the role they played in Egypt - it's hard not to connect reptilians and ancient forgotten empires that practice slavery and sacrifice.
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  10. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Ahhh the Russians....

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  12. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Yeah,i got thinking about it and remembered about Lovecraft's "The nameless city". From what i read on the wiki his inspirations about the lizard people came from some critique.
     
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  13. RaptorRex888 Learned

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    I too, love this trope. What other games feature them? I know Witcher 2 did.
     
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  14. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Not much of lizard conspiracy fans on the codex,shame. So,anyone knows what the first game with lizard people empire is,NWN?
     
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  15. Funposter Liturgist

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    lizards are like dinosaurs, and dinosaurs are old

    that's it. your brain associates old shit with lizards because you've been programmed by "scientific" propaganda, as have 99% of writers for nerd garbage.
     
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    Wasn't that coming from Conan? Together with Tolkien probably the most influencial Fantasy for p&p rpgs and from there influencing crpgs.
     
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  17. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Nah,there are not old shit about lizard people. The fad came around 19 century.
     
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  18. AdolfSatan Magister

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    Yeah, I wonder (((where))) this stupid "conspiracy theory" originated as well.
     
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  19. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Which was the first,the entertainment fantasy or the conspiracy theory?
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    The earliest famous example seems to be the warhammer one.
     
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  21. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Well there is an earlier examples like Lovecraft. Warhammer and D&D may have repopularised it in nerd culture,but i don't know if they had that effect outside of it. Also i believe that lizards were added in later expansions of the lore in both P&P games,but i could be mistaken,my P&P knowledge is limited.
     
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  22. mondblut Arcane

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    In Forgotten Realms, the most ancient of "creator races" are the serpentine sarrukh, yes.
     
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