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Are drow inherently evil? And other D&D racial restrictions that have been loosened over the years

Aarwolf

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If you were on quest to save the world from eternal darkness and you spent many nights around a campfire with the likes of the beautiful and seductive Isabella
Who?

or Viconia

Why would I want to romance her? Only weak manlets fall for her, true men kill her on sight as any sane overworld creature would do.
 

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If you were on quest to save the world from eternal darkness and you spent many nights around a campfire with the likes of the beautiful and seductive Isabella
Who?

or Viconia

Why would I want to romance her? Only weak manlets fall for her, true men kill her on sight as any sane overworld creature would do.

Isabela from Dragon Age, she is a great Romance arc in DA2

Why would you kill Viconia? She is smoking hot and she can change her nefarious ways if you support her and Romance her in BG2. Also she provides the Cleric\healer role nicely in my party and I always select party members first on combat effectiveness

I just finished Oblivion and their was a Viconia adult mod that I used. It was very well done and apart from the dialogue options and side quests she was a very effective combat companion :hug:
 
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nefarious ways
But what are these ways btw? What ugly things did she do that player is aware of. And the answer is we know shit. The only story BG2 could have come up with is about her ‘befriending’ a fucking farmer and get ‘raped’ by him and his son, and she basically is and always was a victim. Rejected by surface dwellers poor black person bitter about cruel world. That love arc is retarded tier teenage writing with some heavy woke aspects in it.

tldr: Branwen>>>>>>>Viconia
 

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nefarious ways
But what are these ways btw? What ugly things did she do that player is aware of. And the answer is we know shit. The only story BG2 could have come up with is about her ‘befriending’ a fucking farmer and get ‘raped’ by him and his son, and she basically is and always was a victim. Rejected by surface dwellers poor black person bitter about cruel world. That love arc is retarded tier teenage writing with some heavy woke aspects in it.

tldr: Branwen>>>>>>>Viconia
Her nefarious ways would be her upbringing which included sacrifices to Lolth and other general evil deeds that people who worship her are involved in

That influenced her character despite how badly she was treated but that doesnt mean she cant change or be redeemed
 

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She worships Shar. Viconia is evil still. Tits don't change that. Also, only thirsty virgins think romance shouldn't involve sex. Lmao A relationship without sex is just friendship or a non southern family connection.
 

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Isabela from Dragon Age, she is a great Romance arc in DA2

Oh boy...

Why would you kill Viconia? She is smoking hot and she can change her nefarious ways if you support her and Romance her in BG2. Also she provides the Cleric\healer role nicely in my party and I always select party members first on combat effectiveness

You do like your women to take advantage on you, don't you? Say, one is a lying bitch who wants to steal a book making a fool of you in the process, the other one is murder loving and men hating harpy, who wants to watch men crawl under her feet. Bro, you've got strange taste in women, but I won't kink shame you.
 

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She worships Shar. Viconia is evil still. Tits don't change that. Also, only thirsty virgins think romance shouldn't involve sex. Lmao A relationship without sex is just friendship or a non southern family connection.
Yes she is NE and she use to worship Lolth but once she became a Drow outcast she now worships Shar. But so what if she is evil? She was raised like that in the Underdark and then she had to survive on the surface. We can forgive her a few things and anyone can be redeemed and change

Isabela from Dragon Age, she is a great Romance arc in DA2

Oh boy...

Why would you kill Viconia? She is smoking hot and she can change her nefarious ways if you support her and Romance her in BG2. Also she provides the Cleric\healer role nicely in my party and I always select party members first on combat effectiveness

You do like your women to take advantage on you, don't you? Say, one is a lying bitch who wants to steal a book making a fool of you in the process, the other one is murder loving and men hating harpy, who wants to watch men crawl under her feet. Bro, you've got strange taste in women, but I won't kink shame you.
That wasnt my overall experience with either of the ladies, I didnt feel used because the Romance worked out in the end and they were useful combat and party members
 

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Drow aren't born evil. It is a choice. Doubly so for Viv. She knew enough to realize drow life is shit even as a female... yet she chooses Shar another clearly evil goddess. Lmao
 

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Drow aren't born evil. It is a choice. Doubly so for Viv. She knew enough to realize drow life is shit even as a female... yet she chooses Shar another clearly evil goddess. Lmao
My kind of gal.
 

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tl;dr: Fucking cop-out
 

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She worships Shar. Viconia is evil still. Tits don't change that. Also, only thirsty virgins think romance shouldn't involve sex. Lmao A relationship without sex is just friendship or a non southern family connection.
What did Viconia do that marks her as Evil?
 

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tl;dr: Fucking cop-out
Its an interesting perspective but I dont agree that Drow are always evil and cannot change. Their are good Drow in the FR and no baby is inherently evil, this type of behavior is inculcated in someone through their upbringing. So if a Drow baby is raised by good people it will be good

Besides Viconia is hot, we always allow exceptions for hotness :hug:
 

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Drow aren't born evil. It is a choice. Doubly so for Viv. She knew enough to realize drow life is shit even as a female... yet she chooses Shar another clearly evil goddess. Lmao
Small steps Volo, small steps

Remember the liberal code, we respect peoples religious choices :salute:
 

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tl;dr: Fucking cop-out
Its an interesting perspective but I dont agree that Drow are always evil and cannot change. Their are good Drow in the FR and no baby is inherently evil, this type of behavior is inculcated in someone through their upbringing. So if a Drow baby is raised by good people it will be good

Besides Viconia is hot, we always allow exceptions for hotness :hug:
DND is a setting where Evil and Good are measurable objective forces.

In 2E Drow were still considered inherently Evil because of the taint of Wendonai.
 

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tl;dr: Fucking cop-out
Its an interesting perspective but I dont agree that Drow are always evil and cannot change. Their are good Drow in the FR and no baby is inherently evil, this type of behavior is inculcated in someone through their upbringing. So if a Drow baby is raised by good people it will be good

Besides Viconia is hot, we always allow exceptions for hotness :hug:
DND is a setting where Evil and Good are measurable objective forces.

In 2E Drow were still considered inherently Evil because of the taint of Wendonai.
So how do you explain Drow that worship the good Elven gods or good gods like Drizzt with his belief in Mielikki. He was evil and changed?

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Drizzt_Do'Urden
 

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Greenwood would shamelessly insert his most depraved kink by explaining in detail how drow mother get a kick from her twin having a fight to the death inside her womb, but would backpedal the moment someone suggest drow could be inherently evil.

By the way, it's way more interesting to have someone be able to overcome his evil nature than just being a dindu nuffin who's been raised wrong, even Todd fucking Howard realized it lul.
 

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Greenwood would shamelessly insert his most depraved kink by explaining in detail how drow mother get a kick from her twin having a fight to the death inside her womb, but would backpedal the moment someone suggest drow could be inherently evil.

By the way, it's way more interesting to have someone be able to overcome his evil nature than just being a dindu nuffin who's been raised wrong, even Todd fucking Howard realized it lul.
Halistra Melarn and Ryld Argilth. War of the Spider Queen series.

Too bad the idiots turned Halistra into a wobbie of the worst sort.
 

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Greenwood would shamelessly insert his most depraved kink by explaining in detail how drow mother get a kick from her twin having a fight to the death inside her womb, but would backpedal the moment someone suggest drow could be inherently evil.

By the way, it's way more interesting to have someone be able to overcome his evil nature than just being a dindu nuffin who's been raised wrong, even Todd fucking Howard realized it lul.

Thats a good idea for any game, someone who strives to overcome their inherent or " raised lived experience " evil nature

It would make for some exciting RP in the game and general party interaction :cool:
 

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Drow aren't born evil.

No, they are. Their deities made then so. A good drow is an aberration, similar to how a herbivorous lion would be IRL...

no baby is inherently evil,

Disagreed. We are NOT talking about "humans with different skins". Good/Evil and Law/Chaos in D&D verse aren't merely concepts. They are COSMIC FORCES. Making an analogy with star wars, some races like sith pureblood leans towards the Dark Side. Putting the same moral relativism and "everything is cultural" bs from IRL into a fantasy game is pure :decline:

In fact, the decline started in 3E, which removed racial requirement for certain classes.
 

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Drow aren't born evil.

No, they are. Their deities made then so. A good drow is an aberration, similar to how a herbivorous lion would be IRL...

no baby is inherently evil,

Disagreed. We are NOT talking about "humans with different skins". Good/Evil and Law/Chaos in D&D verse aren't merely concepts. They are COSMIC FORCES. Making an analogy with star wars, some races like sith pureblood leans towards the Dark Side. Putting the same moral relativism and "everything is cultural" bs from IRL into a fantasy game is pure :decline:

In fact, the decline started in 3E, which removed racial requirement for certain classes.
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Volourn

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Dude. Drow have a fukkin good goddess to worship and she has existed since nearly their beginning. Lmao I do agree that drow aren't humans but this idea that they are literal monsters with zero choice is ridiculous. FFS Driders exist as punishment for drow who dare stand up against Lloth's tenets. They're not ircs.
 

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By the way, it's way more interesting to have someone be able to overcome his evil nature than just being a dindu nuffin who's been raised wrong, even Todd fucking Howard realized it lul.
Self-fulfilling Prophecy is a thing.
 

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