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Are we an RPG Discussion website or a Free Speech website?

Discussion in 'Site Feedback' started by DarkUnderlord, Sep 16, 2021.

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Are we an RPG Discussion website or a Free Speech website?

  1. RPG Discussion

    176 vote(s)
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  2. Free Speech

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  1. Alex Arcane

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    Dividing the Codex is really going to kill the website. At the very least for me; but I suspect that for a lot of other people as well. But whatever, thanks for all the fish and all that.
     
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  2. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    pretty sure israel has similar issues as Australia, along with most of the world -- intermediary liability.
    There's a reason websites with large amounts of user-generated content end up hosted and headquartered in USA. As long as you comply with a few exceptions, you can't be held liable for anything other people put on your website.
     
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  3. Zombra An iron rock in the river of blood and evil Patron

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    Make the Codex Great Again! RPG Wokedex Strap Yourselves In
    Can't help but chuckle at the notion that the Codex should shut down to go out in some kind of blaze of glory, to immortalize this moment as if today's Codex is its most noble and beauteous version, and most deserving to be remembered. :lol: Come on now bros, it's been evolving and rolling with the times for decades. This is just another bump in the road.

    Personally I look forward to seeing the next mutation, whatever form it takes. Even if DU throws the switch and locks the door, and faithful account holders find themselves scattered and stranded apart, one day the prestigious will find a new gathering place, deep in the stygian pits of the 'dark web', where all political -isms unite under a flag of truce to again focus their attention on matters of true import: the design and dissection of video games. It may wear another name but we will know what its true spirit is called.

    Whether that place is a newborn construct, or the creaky old friendship we had right here all along, God willing I will see you there.
     
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  4. IDtenT Menace to sobriety! Patron

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    What's so difficult to understand that it's RPGs that brought us here (common hobby) and the free speech (political, but is it really?) that keeps the community here.

    A standalone politics forum would only attract more vermin and a heavily moderated RPG forum would quickly die from disinterest.
     
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  5. Lambach Arcane

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    I wanted to test this theory, so I posted this on /pol/ in a thread about Nicki Minaj.

    [​IMG]

    Will report back with results in a couple of hours.
     
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  6. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    and yes, 4chan most definitely does ban for racism outside of /b/ and perhaps /pol/
     
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  7. Drop Bear Educated

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    You're kidding yourself, it is the final nail in the coffin.
    It depends on the board and hour, idk what /pol/ is like these days.
     
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  8. janjetina Arcane Patron

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    Lol Australia
     
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  9. Alienman Arcane Patron

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    I would probably not post any more online. I'm too old and too comfy here and just the thought of having to look for something else just sounds depressive and too much work. Internet for me would just be relegated to gaming, just like the TV is only for movies.
     
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  10. Tacgnol Shitlord Patron

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    I'll probably just go back to posting on nfohump, almost dead as it is. It was always a pretty based forum, as they allowed full discussion of gamergate (and still do afaik). Shame it has so few active posters these days.

    I'd miss this place a hell of a lot though. It ain't just the discussions and posts, it's the personalities of the posters.
     
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  11. Lambach Arcane

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    4Chan has been Reddit-lite for years now outside of certain boards, so it's not surprising. But if /b/ and /pol/ fall, then that really is the end of the line.
     
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  12. Ranselknulf Arcane Patron

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    If there is one thing I've learned from playing RPG's throughout the years, it's that change is bad.
     
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  13. IDtenT Menace to sobriety! Patron

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    It has to get worse before it can get better.
     
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  14. BING XI LAO FREE KALIN! Patron

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    One option is to use an ever-increasing list of word filters. Failing that, put Andrew Anglin in charge.
     
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  15. Matalarata Arcane Patron

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    Oh God. Oh Father protect us. Didn't read the thread. Dunno what to vote. Only thing I know is I want to discuss gaems speaking my mind freely and I cannot speak my mind freely if I cannot game it a little bit. If things are going to change I'm going to just disappear since I know I cannot change, I'm sorry. Being sad and serious.
    Won't vote because I can't. There's no point in doing it.
     
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  16. mondblut Arcane

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    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to shut down RPGCodex.
     
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  17. Rean The only Rean Patron

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    It's not about it 'going out in a blaze of glory', you idiot. It's about the fact that if the nature of the website changes this drastically, it will lose all its appeal. This board is so enticing to all kinds of different ethnicities and individuals from all over the political spectrum because of its relaxed nature. There's a reason even ardent pinko authoritarians like sheep and taxalot would rather be here than the shitholes they advocate for.

    Shut the fuck up. You have 300 people ignored.
     
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  18. Junmarko Arcane

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    Indeed.
     
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  19. Percy Cipher

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    DU is seeking attention because he lives in Australia and has no freedom anymore.
    "This is the burden I bare for you racist cunts" is what he is really saying and he wants some sympathy.
    Australia is peak clown world right now, so he probably deserves it.


    This poll is a question with no right answer.
    The RPG Codex will cease to exist if we carry on the way we do.
    Either due to allowing too much "free speech" and being ban hammered by the fascist Australian Government or by being politically correct and becoming super duper gay.

    Basically if we can not be more clever with our racism free speech we need to cut it out/tone it down drastically, if we want to continue enjoying the Codex.

    DU or whomever, IDK is hoping we all get the hint by having the n word changed to African Americans and banking on the fact that most of us just say it because it's edgy and we're not allowed to anywhere else, thus losing all appeal now.

    BTW: It is a really strange decision to have Site Feedback available to the public, it's basically General Discussion 2.0. I would hide this forum.
     
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  20. NJClaw OoOoOoOoOoh Patron

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    I'm not crying and I am not doing anything with my anus (fantadomat isn't around). I just find your "I'm the only big boy around and nothing deserves to be taken seriously unless I say so" act incredibly insufferable. It really irks me the wrong way, but then thankfully I remember that you wanted to post a review but couldn't do it because you didn't like the CSS and I calm down.
     
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  21. Thac0 Time Mage Patron

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    It really depends on wether you rustly a jannies jimmies or not. I use AFRICAN AMERICAN infrequently on their rpg board, and never got banned for it, as I use it in normal posts or tongue in cheek. Never even got a warning for that.
    Half of the time however a post containing AFRICAN AMERICAN will be removed from a non /b/ or /pol/ board, so I usually do not put AFRICAN AMERICAN in effortposts anymore.
    So it is a bit more strict than rpgcodex used to be, as here I can write AFRICAN AMERICAN in GRPG and if the post is still rpg related it does not get retardo'd.
     
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  22. Ed123 Arcane Patron

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    DarkUnderlord thanks for being (comparatively) upfront about it. Disappointing to hear to be honest, because I'm personally more concerned about free speech and censorship in the context of stuff I actually like talking about on Codex, i.e. games and similar media, not general politics. It sounds to me like the proposed plan is to make the RPG side solely about games (and maybe movies/comics/literature), and everything else relegated to the new politics forum.

    This division would greatly benefit the people on codex who don't like to read "whining" about SJWs/political agendas in games, because they can immediately shut it down as being "off-topic" even when the developer is open about their intentions. You can't discuss a certain famous female character losing her guns because the project lead said gun control is good and it's more ethical for the protagonist to murder thousands of people with a bow and arrow. You can't discuss character design where the project lead said they deliberately made the main character ugly and buff. You can't discuss a fat code being removed from a game because the studio head said it's fat-phobic. You can't discuss the characters in a certain recent RPG all being various shades of brown because the art team were specifically instructed to not have any white characters. You can't discuss specific dialogue and a voice actor being removed from a supposedly faithful "remaster" of a famous adventure game because those lines conflicted with the team's politics and the voice actor was a white person playing a black character. You can't discuss a game adding trigger warnings, or the writers saying they changed a quest because it was offensive to ugly people. And so on.

    Codex is one of the few places you can discuss videogames and everything around them AND not bite your tongue by not talking about certain topics even when they are, by any reasonable definition, just as on-topic to the discussion as gameplay mechanics, art direction or music. Go on other big mainstream forums and you are not only barred from discussing such topics, you are also often forced to (vocally) support their politics. If I want to post on a gaming site like that, there are plenty of bigger and more active alternatives to RPG Codex, so in that event I'd probably move on and join a smaller, more fluid private community that is less at risk of legal threats and such. The poll is unfairly worded in my opinion, because it's being used as a barometer of whether people care more about games or free speech. I care very much about free speech, because I like to discuss my hobbies openly and honestly. I 100% understand why the split is happening, but I don't really want to be a part of either neogaf-lite nor /pol/-on-xenforo.
     
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  23. Bester ⚰️☠️⚱️ Patron Vatnik

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    Not in /pol/ or /b/. Only in /v/.
     
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  24. Tacgnol Shitlord Patron

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    The only way I think things could work is if people were still allowed to discuss political things in the context of video games on the Codex.

    Even then, I suspect it will lead to the decline and eventual death of the forums.
     
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  25. Thac0 Time Mage Patron

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    Keeping Gaming Drama around as a GD light for rpg related topics would migitate that a lot.
    Wether you keep the 1 year registration barrier to reduce GamerGate drifters is then a question to reevaluate.
    I wouldn't have much of a problem with removing the 1/year rule for all forums except Prosperium and Retardo and shipping politics and current GD off to a different site.
    After all RPGcodex is the best website to discuss RPGs on the Internet and only a below average politics website where you can use more slurs.
     
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