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Are we an RPG Discussion website or a Free Speech website?

Discussion in 'Site Feedback' started by DarkUnderlord, Sep 16, 2021.

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Are we an RPG Discussion website or a Free Speech website?

  1. RPG Discussion

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  2. Free Speech

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  1. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    it would be entirely impossible to discuss things like the gnomish conspiracy in arcanum on a censored site
     
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  2. IDtenT Menace to sobriety! Patron

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    Ed123, your thoughts on this gnome conspiracy.
     
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  3. sqeecoo Arcane

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    DarkUnderlord, as a longtime lurker and Codex lover (homo), I have huge respect for you for keeping this forum intact over the years. If there are deeper/legal issues at play here, ask for help if that's possible - if not, I'll be very sad but all good things come to an end eventually. We resist entropy for as long as we can, but no further.

    But splitting the forums or somesuch for other reasons is just a bad idea. You either have to have massive censorship based on a very vague rule (no politics in gaming discussion), or you will just have political discussion migrate to the gaming section instead of predominantly staying in GD.
     
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  4. Ehrenmann Another obvious alt

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    You either die racist or live long enough to see yourself become a niggerlover.

    Rather put Codex to euthanasia.
     
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  5. Feyd Rautha Arcane Patron

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    Ok voted RPG since that's the purpose of the site. Free speech can go somewhere else I guess.
     
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  6. Jenkem お前はもう死んでいる Patron

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  7. Atlantico unida e indivisible Patron

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    That "implication" is subtle like a brick to the head.

    Which is why you're just about the sixtieth person to mention it.

    Self-absorbed dumbfuck.
     
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  8. AwesomeButton Personally falsified the US election results Patron

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    Yes, and you will read it and memorize it. Because that's your purpose. Read and memorize every dumbfuck post.
     
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  9. Atlantico unida e indivisible Patron

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    No need, your posts are all the same kind of Dunning Kruger drivel.

    Seen one, seen them all.

    BTW is that delirious brainfart supposed to be a snappy comeback? You are really one of a kind retardísimo
     
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  10. AwesomeButton Personally falsified the US election results Patron

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    Yeah, whatever, just stop screeching already.
     
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  11. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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  12. RNGsus True Neutral Patron

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    Hating a game is an alt-right dog whistle or some bullshit so just move the site to another country entirely.
     
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  13. DarkUnderlord Professional Throne Sitter

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    It's not about what I want to do but about what I may have to do.

    The choice in the poll is clear, because that's what the choice is. As numerous people here have pointed out - and know from experience - once you go down the censorship rabbit hole, where does it end? Right now we have one word. What about all the other words people can use? Where do we stop?

    It doesn't. It goes right into turning the forum into another RetardEra. At which point we may as well shut the whole lot down.

    As has been alluded to, the Australian High Court made a ruling recently which effectively means I (and the staff) may be responsible for the shit most of you idiots post.

    And that's Facebook. Where you're required to post under your real name. What are the greater implications for us?

    As Roguey said: DU's been clear for years that he's not so much "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" but "Say whatever you want up until the point where it becomes a legal inconvenience for me."

    The Codex has always been a fun hobby. And now, we have a bunch of "free speech" proponents who run the minute shit gets serious and expect me to die on a hill for them.

    If you want to post shit on the internet, that's one thing. But if you expect me to take a bullet for that shit, while you scurry off under your fake name and proxy account, that's entirely another.

    If you want to be "free speech", that's fine. But you can damn well put your name next to it and stand by what you said.

    And how are those crying "free speech" going to feel when I'm ordered to hand over your identifying details to law enforcement authorities? You expect me to refuse and go to jail on your behalf?

    Over an RPG website?

    We know that a large number of the shit-posters register with free dodgy email accounts and use proxies. Are you going to tell me they're really here to discuss RPGs?

    How would you feel if I require personally identifying information in order for you to post on the Codex? Enter your credit card details here so I know who you are, just in case someone decides to play games over some shit you posted.

    But even then, that's not enough. They can come after me now. They don't have to care about you. And knowing half the shit-posters and trolls we have here, I guarantee you someone's already thinking about how much "fun" they can have with this.

    We already had someone try to shut us down earlier this year.

    On one hand, I could argue the likelihood of that is small. Who's really going to take it to court, and sue for defamation in Australia and actually take it that far? It's not entirely an easy process.

    But on the other, it's a worrying trend. It's only a matter of time before someone tries it. And all we need is for one person to give it a go and suddenly, we have some very big problems.

    Over an RPG discussion website.
     
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  14. Ehrenmann Another obvious alt

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  15. Alphard Erudite

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    Thank you for clearing up the situation. I can understand your difficult position. I'd say if the choice is to conform to PC and become another generic NPC full forum or shut it down the whole thing, go for the second. Better to die as a hero etc. I couldnt tolerate RPGcodex go full decline in few years. It's better to remember as it was , a place full of autists and edgelords and incels, with a good heart (and some unavoidable reatrdness).


    BTW thata said, have you tought stepping down, and handing your powers to someone trusted that doesnt live in a totalitarian shitole? Or the situation is not that simple?
     
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  16. Ehrenmann Another obvious alt

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    :salute:
     
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  17. Twiglard Unwanted Sad Loser

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    Transfer the domain and the server formally to someone from the US. Keep it running as normal other than that. Is this doable?
     
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  18. Parsimonious cook Augur Patron

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    OK, I get all that. The thing is (and I speak as someone who doesn’t know shit about Australian law) - does saying "African American" (or for that matter "kike," "gook" "faggot" etc) actually count as "defamation?" Because if not (frankly I cannot imagine someone would try to sue you over seeing a "bad" word on your forum) then the solution isn’t really a word filter. I haven’t really seen anything outright illegal posted here (granted I read only small percentage of what is being posted though), but you could simply put up some general disclaimer that people aren’t allowed to "deny holocaust" or "declare support for terrorism" etc and simply crack down on people who do that (if anyone actually does shit like this here, it definitely isn’t a significant percentage of people).


    The free speech doesn’t need to encompass shit that is outright illegal and I don’t think anyone was really arguing for that anyway. It does encompass me being able to say "African American" or to point out that forced homo/tranny characters in CP2077 are shit. If the later is no longer possible in Australia then yeah, either move or close this place down, nobody needs the Codex to be a generic vidya forum #45562888663.
     
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  19. Tacgnol Shitlord Patron

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    I thought this might be the case. The openness is appreciated.

    I would guess practical options are:

    1. Hand over the site to someone in the states. Though judging by how things are going, the US may end up with similar legal issues in the very near future.

    2. Kill all political discussion, though hopefully we can still allow some reasonable discussion of woke silliness in gaming. Though I've no idea how broad "defamation" is in Australia.

    3. Kill the site and go out on a high.

    That said, I think 2 and 3 are ultimately the same outcome. Number 2 will just be a slower death.
     
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  20. IDtenT Menace to sobriety! Patron

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    Give the Codex to a Pole.

    :smug:
     
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  21. Tacgnol Shitlord Patron

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  22. Ladonna Arcane

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    DarkUnderlord

    Fair enough. I understand where you are coming from. But why the mysterious polls? Why not come out and say this in the first place?

    And how would splitting the forums help you? Has someone offered to host them overseas?

    Does this only cover defamation? Or does it cover state/other laws eg hate speech laws, etc?

    And what happened earlier in the year?
     
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  23. Tacgnol Shitlord Patron

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    There was talk that jcd had reported the site. I'm guessing there was fallout from that?
     
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  24. IDtenT Menace to sobriety! Patron

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    Jcd is one ugly mutherfucker.
     
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  25. Parsimonious cook Augur Patron

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    Honestly with all the "prejudicial hatred" shit that is being pushed in EU right now, basing the Codex in Poland would hardly be much better than the current situation in Austrailia. In the Czech Republic we already had people sentenced to years in jail for "supporting terrorism" by making shitposts on Facebook about Tarrant giving the mudslimes the taste of their own medicine and I dont think its all that different in Poland. The only defence would be that nobody would likely give a fuck about a gaming forum (plus nobody gives a fuck if you say "African American"), but there is no telling when things might change on that front.

    US would be a safe option at least for the time being.
     
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