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ARMA Reforger - alternate 1989 cold war milsim - now available on Early Access

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but vehicles don't seem to have a realistic damage.

Noticed this on a stream I watched. Guy blasted straight into another car, no damage to either vehicle or driver. Pretty disappointing stuff.
I later noticed that buildings cannot be damaged or destroyed either...
 
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I have absolutely no interest in real world MilSim stuff. I only got ARMA 3 recently due to being invited to a group that exclusively plays with the Warhammer mods. Suddenly I have my dream Warhammer game. Planetside but Warhammer. There is no feeling quite like being in a drop pod launched from a ship and crashing into a battlefield with your squad. Opening the doors and unleashing pain upon xeno scum. One of the best video game experiences I've had in recent memory. I hope we get some Warhammer mods for this. And of course Halo and Star Wars.
 

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Nice implementation of 3D scopes.


I have absolutely no interest in real world MilSim stuff. I only got ARMA 3 recently due to being invited to a group that exclusively plays with the Warhammer mods. Suddenly I have my dream Warhammer game. Planetside but Warhammer. There is no feeling quite like being in a drop pod launched from a ship and crashing into a battlefield with your squad. Opening the doors and unleashing pain upon xeno scum. One of the best video game experiences I've had in recent memory. I hope we get some Warhammer mods for this. And of course Halo and Star Wars.
That's pretty much what Warhammer 40K Eternal Crusade was supposed to be before they turned it into a lobby shooter instead of the MMO they promised their customers. Emphasis on the word customers because they sold pre-orders and early access.

During the ARMA Reforger reveal stream they mentioned "mod tools to bring your favorite fantasy and sci-fi universes to life" so they're counting on it.
 
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Nice implementation of 3D scopes.


I have absolutely no interest in real world MilSim stuff. I only got ARMA 3 recently due to being invited to a group that exclusively plays with the Warhammer mods. Suddenly I have my dream Warhammer game. Planetside but Warhammer. There is no feeling quite like being in a drop pod launched from a ship and crashing into a battlefield with your squad. Opening the doors and unleashing pain upon xeno scum. One of the best video game experiences I've had in recent memory. I hope we get some Warhammer mods for this. And of course Halo and Star Wars.
That's pretty much what Warhammer 40K Eternal Crusade was supposed to be before they turned it into a lobby shooter instead of the MMO they promised their customers. Emphasis on the word customers because they sold pre-orders and early access.

During the ARMA Reforger reveal stream they mentioned "mod tools to bring your favorite fantasy and sci-fi universes to life" so they're counting on it.

I know all about Eternal Crusade. My fury at the fate of that game will rage long after the stars go cold. Fucking scummy French Canadian fuckwits taking the piss out of us for daring to actually be excited for the game and angry at the "scope reduction."
In my old age few things make me rage more than a game with missed or squandered potential. Games like Eternal Crusade, Dust 514, the list goes on.
 
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Well tbh fam, I am not impressed with the state of the game so far, though that is to be expected (only the original OFP was good on release and that game was pretty much done in a different universe). Didnt play it myself, though I can share a few notes from people from my mil sim group, most of whom have several thousands of hours in ARMA 3:

- gameplay is pretty much the same as in Squad, including FOB building (personally I like Squad, but Squad (and Post Scriptum) provide better Squad gameplay than Reforger does)
- Zeus mode is baaaaaaaaaad in comparison with ARMA 3
- AI cant drive vehicles, their gear cant be edited
- the controls are not as cumbersome as in ARMA 3 (perhaps the biggest positive so far)

Generally it is obviously focussed on PvP (hence the lame Zeus mode), at least at this stage. The game feels somewhat consoletarded as well. However, all of this is not surprising, since Bohemia Interactive learned to rely on the community for quality content and they apparently aim at just providing a platform (ARMA 3 was shit on release too). IMO the game might be worth it a few years from now, when the modders fix it - hopefuly ARMA 4 gets a better start, but I suspect it will follow the same trajectory.
 

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Damn. Was hoping it'd be a redux of Cold War Crisis with the new tech.
 

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Day 2: Workshop is loaded with a bunch of placeholders and junk mods but there's a couple worth using. Took a look at a couple projects I was interested in from ARMA3 and DayZ standalone and they are all investigating whether it's feasible to port their stuff over. Everyone wants to because of the vastly better infantry controls, performance and context menus (pictured below). Everyone's still figuring out custom maps but there's some good progress from what I saw in the channel.
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AI needs significantly better pathfinding, the ability to drive and switch between weapons but they can leap over cover which is pretty cool. Don't think I saw that in ARMA3.
 

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Great AI, going in a straight line to slaughter. VCOM AI mod had the AI climb over stuff, if you have the advanced movement mod.
 

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Not buying this in this state.
- PvP only ARMA, with unstable servers (ARMA pvp is shit without community)
-No SP content. No content
-Community manager transplaining that ARMA games are about peacemaking and Agenda 2030.
- 30 eur
- It´s not even ARMA4 early access with discount like ARMA3 was. This is very bad sign folks. ARMA 3 early access was not perfect but it was worth supporting.

Another franchise destroyed by Evil forces.

PD: I have purchased all content ever released in Arma franchise and even Dayz game.
 
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Not buying this in this state.
- PvP only ARMA, with unstable servers (ARMA pvp is shit without community)
-No SP content. No content
-Community manager transplaining that ARMA games are about peacemaking and Agenda 2030.
- 30 eur
- It´s not even ARMA4 early access with discount like ARMA3 was. This is very bad sign folks. ARMA 3 early access was not perfect but it was worth supporting.

Another franchise destroyed by Evil forces.

PD: I have purchased all content ever released in Arma franchise and even Dayz game.
Everything you said is correct. I'm going to wait for ARMA 4. Hopefully by that point we have some decent mods and the game is in a better state.
 
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I am buying this and not even playing it. Even though Arma 3 was succesful, it was incredibly long supported. To release it this way is a business decision that makes sense to me, although is not liked very much and I understand that.

How else would you do it though? More Arma 3 DLC's? Subscription fees?

It's time to choose:

1) devs who have mod support from the start, take care of community, embrace it, push things forward, let their stuff be open, reasonable monetization

2) monetization hell, limits everywhere

Yes BI is guilty of "mods will fix it" but that is not completely the case. And so what? You get the experience that nothing else provides.

If Arma 4 sucks then I will shit on BI. Not now though.
 

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I don't think they need financial help. They have more games than Arma, and DayZ was, and still is a huge success. Also they took a huge investment from Tencent recently. So, please don't buy their games thinking poor indie Bohemia.
 

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Well, a friend bought this for me and himself, so I've been playing it a bit. It's obviously a skeleton frame, a glorified tech demo for ArmA 4. You get disconnected constantly from servers. But having said that...

The presentation and delivery are very nostalgic for the original Operation Flashpoint and sims/games from the 2000s. Everything from the french horn music in the menu to the rather remarkable re-creation of Everon. Whoever made it put quite a lot of love into those things. I can't deny that it had an immediate effect on me and gave me a flutter of that excitement I've rarely felt with games in recent years.

The realism and density of the terrain, landscape, inhabited areas and interpretation/scaling of distances visually and in combat are plainly conducive to infantry fighting rather than the cyborg-like visual clarity of ArmA 3 and obvious lean towards Gulf War levels of machine lethality. It reminds me very much of real-world military operating environments and training exercises, which I suppose means it's simply more natural and 'humble'. The graphics are very pretty, but it's the improved fidelity with reality that is the real payoff. This is also the case with the movement through the world, both on foot and by vehicle. Being able to instantly modulate your movement speed with the mousewheel is really quite nice, and the animations effortlessly adapting to it is very immersive. The weight, center of gravity and transmissions of the vehicles are also very satisfying and driving rally-style around Everon is quite entertaining.

Of course, being made by Bohemia it does instantly remind you of Kingdom Come. It is modelling the same part of the world, after all. Even the soundtrack (if you leave it on) sounds very similar, right down to the menu music. There's a tune that sounds just like the KCD sneaky 'mystery' music that plays when you're approaching an enemy-held objective and I instantly felt like I was controlling an AK/M16-toting Henri in 1989.

The biggest potential problem is the AI, which is essentially non-existent and what is there is completely retarded. I don't know if I can think of a single sim/series over the last 20 years that has had AI improve from one title to the next, and without good AI that can do well with tasks like convoy driving from point to point and dismounting, all of this will only be good for PvP, which isn't the point or strength of ArmA. Maybe this is going to be an exception. I heard from a modder that he'd seen signs that the AI was being developed to be more autonomous and less dependent on placed AI 'modules' and waypoint orders, which would be encouraging.

Speaking of modding, it appears that it is actually quite a bit easier to mod, at the cost of graphical fidelity being so onerous (all vehicles have interiors, etc.). I know some modding groups have already successfully imported equipment and vehicles, and I'm tempted to start getting to grips with it now rather than wait. Supposedly having to write text configs will be very limited.

That's all I can think of reporting at the moment.
 

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Hidden & Dangerous 2 has the mouse wheel movement speed thing, glad to see it come to Arma. I was replaying H&D2 lately because I've been remaking some of the missions in Arma3. Glad to see Arma finally getting some updates, I'm excited for ArmA 4. Although as I've said for years, I think what they need the most is a good mode that unifies the players and showcases all the various strengths of the game. I can't believe after all these years KOTH is still the best anyone can come up with. It's so shit. I think BIS should hire a game designer on contract to just build a game mode with their existing tools.
 

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Star Citizen has the scroll wheel movement speed thing too and it's one of my favorite features from that game so I was very happy to see it in Reforger.
Bohemia should take a cue from Wildcard's ARK Sponsored Mods program and just start paying modders to make cool shit as a full time gig. You go through an application process and anyone who gets accepted gets a monthly stipend as long as they provide progress and/or playable builds of what they're working on. Pretty much what they've been doing with ARMA3's Creator DLCs except it's all released for free. They'd make it back from people buying their games for the mods.
 

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Hidden & Dangerous 2 has the mouse wheel movement speed thing, glad to see it come to Arma. I was replaying H&D2 lately because I've been remaking some of the missions in Arma3. Glad to see Arma finally getting some updates, I'm excited for ArmA 4. Although as I've said for years, I think what they need the most is a good mode that unifies the players and showcases all the various strengths of the game. I can't believe after all these years KOTH is still the best anyone can come up with. It's so shit. I think BIS should hire a game designer on contract to just build a game mode with their existing tools.

H&D2 is one of my all time favorites, I’d forgotten about the mouse wheel movement in it (and very smooth animations). I wonder if there’s any workforce overlap, with both being Czech studios.

As for ArmA 3 game modes, I’d say that the user-made Antistasi guerilla campaigns and BECTI(a ‘capture the island’ variant) are the best. Both best center on playing with one or a handful of comrades each acting as squad leaders of AI troopers against the enemy.

‘Evolution’ for ArmA 1 was the first of these and hugely popular, a great persistent war campaign with varied objective types, defense management and AI commanding. Probably my favorite of them all. ArmA 4 initially being a remake of all the Flashpoint islands with something like that integrated would be real incline.
 

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I play Antistasi mostly, I used to love BECTI but only really in Arma2. In Arma3 I haven't enjoyed that mode at all. They developed it more but I just don't like it now. The main differences I can tell are that in Arma2 you could control your own squads and send them on missions and stuff, or have them join you and you could assault some village away from all the mayhem. I loved that. In Arma3 CTI they seem to have avoided letting us have our own squads. Also the main thing for me is how short the missions are. I don't really like shooting much, I play mostly for the tanks and gunships and planes. In Arma2 CTI I could play for a few hours and end up with a gunship or plane and fly around blowing people up, nice pay off for the hours of grind. In Arma3 the mode never lasts that long, it always ends not long after I join and even ones that I play from the start it's a real rush to make enough money to buy an aircraft. If you even can... Also I hate how you can't double click locations on the map to give yourself a waypoint to head for. I loved CTI in Arma2 but they kinda ruined it for me in Arma3.

I like Antistasi, but that has issues too. I wish I could tweak these modes but it seems like a big job to reverse engineer them. If I was BIS I'd have someone make a huge mode like that but more fleshed out and focused. I'd also have 5v5 dogfighting missions and stuff, tank wars, some fun CTF/deathmatch modes, etc. I can tinker with Arma3 offline for years but the multiplayer I find pretty lacking. Hope with Arma4 they'll figure it out.

Also on my wishlist, I'd like to see them focus on some indoor combat. In H&D2 there are lots of great underground factories and things, so you have to clear rooms, use grenades, be quiet and listen for guys etc.. It's all fun and interesting and all basically non-existent in Arma3. There are a few buildings but they are all very small and pretty buggy too. There's a 3 story apartment building with a rooftop and a wider office type building, but not much else. Having some good stock buildings would really help, especially if the AI knew how to navigate them. There are a lot of SWAT fans looking for a game too and I think Arma4 could be it if they had better buildings, let modders make a door jam and mirrors for walls or something and we could have a SWAT3/4 type of experience in Arma. Ideally the AI would be upgraded to hear footsteps and stuff too but that might be asking too much.

Also as well as the buildings it needs more stock characters and stuff. Mostly all it has now are troops and some surfer hobos. You can add more with mods but as standard it should at least have security guards with hand guns, hostages, terrorists, and stuff. It sounds like they are updating the editor though so hopefully they'll do this. I hope Arma4 builds upon Arma3, that could be awesome! I hope it isn't like starting from scratch.
 
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I tried it out of curiosity. Many problems, many crashes. Multi-player is unplayable atm. You get disconnected all the time. I wonder where those youtubers got their footage.

There are some odd choices which I wonder will be changed. Like using space screen reflections. I also wonder how will mirrors and cameras be implemented.

When it finally worked (Battleye is doing all kinds of problems and is a reason for crashes), I was hooked. It is mythical Game 2 in my mind. It's everything I wanted it to be. They listened to feedback and fixed the issues so it will soon prepare Arma 4 to annihilate any limited competition. I haven't felt this good since OFP or early Arma 3. Its OFP2 proper. Hard for me to get back to Arma 3 or even Squad.
 
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Like what though? My issue has always been that they listen to the wrong people.

From the top of my head: utilizing newer hardware and better performance, included melee, better animation system, better interaction system, better sound design, dynamic lights with dynamic shadows, wet textures and materials, AI capable of going and fighting indoors, pointing, better implementation of scopes a.k.a. "real scopes", distant shadows, better hit reactions, in-game management of addons without need to turn off the game, decorated interiors, bit more environmental destruction, zeroing visible in-game, seamless getting in and out of vehicles, vegetation moving even in distance, rivers and streams, less vanilla look of assets, better driving, proto armor implementation, bigger weapons properly obstructing environment/indoors and thus being unusable, smoke collision with objects and terrain.

Some of those are not properly implemented (destruction of furniture is in but its disabled by default, armor acts weird) yet, some are implemented poorly (like smoke collision) but what is there now is very solid. That plus no simulation bubble and it's a dream come true for long-time Arma players. It's basically everything they wanted. Yes, many features I am missing but this is again very solid foundation. I know that my former unit is going crazy over this and for example guys from RHS are already developing for it because of all the possibilities.

What wrong people did they listen to? I am not getting the feeling that they do.

It's kinda funny situation if you think about it, Arma (3) is ageless, you implement some proper features like this, which were not possible anymore for RV engine and bam, you add another 10 years to its active life. It's that simple. Distant shadows and dynamic shadows from multiple sources is already total game changer. Every feature added to the game is magnified by the fact game is totally open, so shooting from vehicles applies to players as well as AI etc.

There are still many question marks as to what will it be like with lot of people and vehicles, how will helicopters behave, how will mirrors and other be implemented. Time will tell.
 
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New update is in and it half fixed the MP issues. Meaning you still can get regular disconnects but I was finally able to play MP for more than hour without any issues.

What is not talked much about is the OG OFP atmosphere it has. Plus the music which is brilliant. Squad has also brilliant soundtrack btw.

It feels so smooth, both in terms of performance and gameplay. It brings tears to my eyes that we are finally at the time when Arma is no longer clunky mess. It's actually even more technically advanced than previous entries and runs better. A joy to play, makes it harder for me to go back to 3, even though Reforger has like 0,1% of content.

I was just binging through some SP content and "Hometown Defenders" mission is very solid basic defend mission in rain.

Technical problems that should be fixed: LOD of trees, screen-space reflections look great but kind of suck for this kind of game, hopefully they bring some good solution for long-distance grass.

So far it looks to be one of the best experiences I had in years. The potential with realism mods and content is insane.
 

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