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Incline Avorion - procedural co-op space sandbox where players can build ships out of blocks

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Blaine, Feb 13, 2017.

  1. Perkel Arcane

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    Well after spending some time with builder i made this. It was attempt at kind of homeworld style ship and i spend some time playing with armor plating at angles. Basically a miner.

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  3. Perkel Arcane

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    Yeah fuck that. I made small corvette sized ship and i already spend like 2 hours tinkering with it. This probably took months.
     
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  4. Perkel Arcane

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    Made something akin to Elite classik. Armor in this game is a huge bitch. Managed to get this thing armored but now it barely stops. Those dual engines though are freaking fast.

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  5. Perkel Arcane

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    Why do i think that Borg cubes will be the best for avorion ?

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  6. Perkel Arcane

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    Well my Elite classik wing design is officially garbage for combat. Just got absolutely mauled by random shitty pirate corvete. First my right wing trusters got fucked and then my front ones. Ended up drifting without ability to do anything other than to go straight.

    I need to spend some time on designs. But imho it is awesome how you need to marriage practical design with style. For sure i shouldn't use so much armor. Imo it should be used in key areas that are super squishy while rest should be outfitted with hull. I also think that stuff like thrusters should be hidden in crevices of ship that need close angle to get shot. Same with turrets. I think bunker like design for weapon mounts would be nice way to ensure your weapons are not destroyed in after few first shots, only point defense need open angle.

    I would love for this game to have mounting slots much like starsector and then fixed weapons system. So you would have S M L turrets/weapons etc.
     
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  7. DraQ Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    [nods with agreement in Children of a dead Earth]
     
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  8. Perkel Arcane

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    Creating combat corvette: Take2:

    Black - squishy parts
    Shades of Blue - Armor

    It removed a lot of angle from my fire but taking down my guns now requires to attack me straight or from above. I installed also sideskirts for my trusters on arms for better protection.

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  9. Perkel Arcane

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    Ok i have now 4 small miners getting those resources rolling. Also got now i have a wingman with ship same as mine. It was a husstle to get similar upgrades so wingman could function same as me but it was worth it.

    I love how deep outfitting system is. You can spend barely anything on hull but outfitting it will cost you fortune. Definitely hits that X3 vibe i get from X-tended.

    I would love for game to have more resource types though. It would be amazing if each resource had its own special qualities. Like X having better defense against lasers while other better against physical. So designing a ship would be even more fun trading various kinds of properties to make ship that fits what you want to do.

    Right now i am thinking of creating small carrier and see how it works. If everything goes right i will have 1 small carrier and 2 corvettes aka small strike group. My Corvettes side thrusters are major weak point from my testing, i think i will have to extend armor quite a bit more to cover them better.
     
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  10. Perkel Arcane

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    Ok i found something that annoys me greatly.

    Founding cost of ships are retarded. It is artificial limit on how many ships you can have. It progressively requires more and more money and resources of better quality the more ships you want to have. First 3 ships are iron, then titanium and so on until you reach 26 where each new ship requires 1 000 000 + avorion regardless if you want to make small miner or capital class ship.

    checked out mods and there are in no removal of that price..
     
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  11. Perkel Arcane

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    Managed to get myself Carrier. Creation of fighters is neat stuff and i like how AI works in this:

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  12. Perkel Arcane

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    Ok, i got my ass handed so bad that my whole fleet got destroyed. Since I spend nearly all my money on Carrier i also went broke. So decided to restart since i learned new things.

    As for battle itself My carrier and 3 other Corvettes from posts above went to take on PirateShipyard. Initial strike was success but then whole fleet of pirates warped on me. Like 20 different ships and even with my amazing shield on my carrier they went through them like paper.

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    On other hand i decided to play a round a lot more with builder to see what is possible etc. with it. Honestly i am pretty impressed:
    - You can change grid size of local points meaning that those annoying "somehow doesn't fit" no longer is a problem
    - You can actually edit both fighters and turrets. Each have their own smaller grid so you can go wild on creating really detailed weapons. Want to make WW2 style battleship cannons ? Yup you can do it.
    - You can change initial block purpose via Transform. So instead of hull you can make it black box, generator or anything you want.
    - Templates is amazing feature that allows you to build via huge parts instead of everything from ground up or using other ship. You can finish nice looking Cargo container space and then save it as template. Later on just copy paste how much do you want.
    - Templates can be stretched and transformed just as any block. So if you have nice cockpit design for small fighter you can actually use it for bigger ones via templates streatching
    - With Coaxial Turret Block you can make fixed mount guns. Combine with turrent customization and you can make neat things !

    Thanks to those above i was able to create such small neat ship:

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  13. Perkel Arcane

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    fuuuk. Via workshop. People know some magic fu. I full expect someone making total overhaul with Star Wars, X3 etc themes.

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  14. Norfleet Moderator

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    Question: Does the enemy AI typically aim for the center of mass, such that making a ship that has a hollow void in the center where shots just fly through harmlessly results in a ship that can facetank ludicrous damage like I've done in other games?
     
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  15. Perkel Arcane

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    Spend like 4 hours making this. Halfway done. Basically space"ship" frigate

    - Around 10GW of power
    - front has torpedo tube
    - Front and underside is heavily armored
    - Main deck has also layer of armor but i use integrity field generators to increase its resistance
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    From what i have seen it is varied and enemies aren't that accurate either even with lasers. So your plan wouldn't work. And game is 3D so enemies fly around you.
     
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  16. Perkel Arcane

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    Finished my space"ship"

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  17. Norfleet Moderator

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    I don't see the guns on the underside. Is there a reason why you have chosen to heavily protect a side of the ship you don't want facing the enemy because it would render the ship mostly useless?
     
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  18. Perkel Arcane

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    Space battles are not 1vs1. So if i protect underside then i can focus on pounding with what i have above deck while scoff off stuff underside.

    I have main 5 slots on deck, torpedo launcher at front and 4 PDs at the side hunting those fighters and torpedoes. Underbelly doesn't have anything other than good armor amount.

    More times than not you fight outnumbered. So having one side that is well protected, 2 that are mid protected gives you a way to survive attack from all sides. Batteries on my main deck also don't need much angle to fire so my main deck is pretty protected with maneuvers.

    I just finished battle where i fought with Pirate's mothership and her escort and they hammered from all sides my AI fellow and didn't even take 20% of his health because most of that fire was on 3 sides that were well armored.
     
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  19. Perkel Arcane

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    Ok i think i am done for now with game.

    My main issue is that it actually is not great replacement for X series despite very similar early look.
    Whole economy is just nothing to do with gameplay. It is entirely fake. Player just uses different rules.
    Moreover simulation takes place only near you. Stuff like pirates spawn on you and regardless if you have 99 other ships they will always spawn on you.

    What is the point of creating chain of production when you can build ship without any of those itsems and without shipyard. You can just found new ship and voila. The other annoying part is that you can't even create chain to get some weapon you want because how game is randomized.

    Still someone will probably make some decent overhaul sooner or later. It is still great space game for those who look more focused journey type of space game it is just not replacement for X series for now at its current state.

    Reading on patches released so far it is clear that game improves massively form patch to patch so there is hope dudes will change some thing.
     
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  20. DraQ Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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  21. Perkel Arcane

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    aww shit here we go again...
    Yeah looks like right up into my alley.

    But from what i see i need a lot of time to grind with this. So not for now, probably next week will sit down on it.
     
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