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Eternity AVOWED - Obsidian's Skyrim clone set in the Pillars of Eternity setting

Discussion in 'Obsidian Entertainment' started by Infinitron, Jul 23, 2020.

  1. Yoomazir Literate

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    MS Exec: "Avowed? That's a name that wouldn't sell well, how about we rebrand it as... Skyrim 2"
     
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  2. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    I know about Lantan, just as much as I know that it's only function in the setting is being mentioned. Also, Lantan introduces Sin #3 when it comes to gunpowder in fantasy settings - "an organisation purposefully hides its existence". Also Gond.
     
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  3. Luckmann Arcane Zionist Agent

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    This is practically the function of 99% of all PnP setting material. The fact that the Harpers and other fuckers are actively curtailing technological development is in itself evidence that the setting doesn't at all "ignore it completely". Just because you don't have widely available firearms across the entire planet doesn't mean it's not there. Even in the real world, our oldest sources on black powder are from the 100's, and it took another 800 years before it started seeing real, practical use in warfare in the 900's, and even then it didn't really take off until it intersected with north-European metallurgy in the 1300's, and even then it took another good 200 years until we're starting to see widespread use.

    Look, I like the Arcanum aesthetic, I would absolutely love to see some magic-infused gunslinging, I want to have top-hats and rune-inscribed bolt-action rifles, and I hope to one day mow down a legion of medieval communists with a gatling gun that shoots magic missiles, especially if they look as cool as they did in The Temple of Elemental Evil.

    But to say that there cannot be legitimate reasons why things would develop differently in a completely different world - let alone one with magic and alchemy to obviate or curtail development - is just stupid. Especially (pre-4e) Forgotten Realms is a silly example, because there are literally hundreds of wizards in any given metropolis, all of which will ask you to piss off with your toys, and a host of deities that flourish under the status quo.
     
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  4. Spectacle Arcane Patron

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    IRL the discovery of gunpowder was apparently an accidental discovery from "medical research"; some monk was mixing stuff together hoping that it would have medical properties, i.e. he was basically trying to craft a healing potion. The initial formula wasn't even explosive, just highly flammable, it was many years before anyone made gunpowder that went boom.

    In a fantasy world would anyone care about a flammable powder, or would they just discard it as another failed experiment and concentrate on those healing potions? After all there's already potions of fire and other magical means of setting things on fire quickly, if you really need to.
     
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  5. Kazuki Arcane

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    With the recent news, maybe it's time to retitled the game.

    The Elder Scrolls VI : Avowed
     
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  6. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Yes it is. Not only is Adaryc a second example, but the dwarf animancer spirit makes it clear that Watchers are known to just go insane over time. That's, what, 30 minutes into the game?

    This is a fact bigger than just Watchers. Though not everyone who goes through an Awakening is completely dysfunctional, its common enough that Defiance Bay has a hospital just for them.

    It isn't headcanon.

    A Chanter's summons and invocations are woven from the fragments of souls who pass to and fro the Beyond. Your difficulty and that of some others is because the words 'Soul' and 'Spirit' do not always refer to the transcedental consciousness of an individual. In this setting, souls are broken apart, rebuilt, shaped and recycled by Gods and mortals alike. The beyond is made up of these souls, or soul-stuff, which the Chanter excites with their hymms and songs and the Wizard harvests and shapes with their grimoires.
     
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  7. Mastermind Arcane Patron Bethestard

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    i need another elder scrolls game badly, especially with how mediocre skyrim was, any more news on this one? potential release date?
     
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  8. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    The reason "why" gunpowder weapons are ignored/non-existant aren't really important. The fact that 99% of fantasy settings do that out of convenience - now THIS is important.
     
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  9. Luckmann Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Why?
     
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  10. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    Because it's a symptom of the universal laziness of most writers, as well as their lack of even an ounce of original thought.
     
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  11. Efe Arbiter

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    Your difficulty is being at odds with yourself.
    Adaryx seemed fine to me and what would a dead practitioner of a mostly unknown fringe science know about watcher condition?

    also, is a summoned wurm a spirit or a beast?
     
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  12. Yosharian Magister

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    Dude discovers how to replicate certain magics using mundane materials and you think he's going to just throw it away cos LOL PEOPLE CAN ALREADY DO IT WITH MAGIC.

    For starters, no that's just dumb, not everyone is a Wizard. Secondly, gnomes are just curious and inventive and would follow that rabbit hole just to see where it leads.
     
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  13. Cat Dude Learned

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    Yeaaaayyyyy
     
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  14. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    iirc the reason gunpowder took so long was because europeans had no natural access to saltpeter
     
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  15. Flying Dutchman Educated

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    The presence of guns in fantasy pretty much sucks.
     
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  16. Luckmann Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Why?

    It is not laziness that makes them not put fantasy in the gunpowder era, but an appreciation for the faux-medieval fantasy aesthetic. It is no easier or harder to put gunpowder into things than to not do so. It is of no inherent relevance, merely a preference. Even Pillows of Eternity - especially the original - was conceived specifically as "generic fantasy" in what they practically confessed was intentional laziness. Basically the only deviation (in the first game) from the faux-medieval fantasy aesthetic outside of background padding is the inclusion of fairly advanced firearms.

    Hell, these intellectually lazy mouthbreathers even blame the failure of PoE 2 on the fact that it deviated from the popularized faux-medieval aesthetic.

    Yes, I think the absence of easily accessible/open saltpeter deposits lead to Europeans not categorizing it as its own thing, and then later the knowledge was basically hoarded either by "alchemists" or sequestered among the monks throughout much of the medieval era. You need several things to be true before you can popularize gunpowder weapons effectively, and it is fairly easy to make any of those things not true for a fantasy setting if one does not desire to have firearms in them. It is equally easy to include these things if you really want them in there, and you could even have these things at a much earlier developmental stage - there would, for example, be nothing inherently preventing a faux-Roman Army utilizing some type of fusilier.
    I used to be fairly strongly against guns, but these days I think it can work fairly well. My main issue with guns is that often, they make no sense. They're either fairly useless outside of the battlefield (which is a mechanical issue, but one in line with the world as presented) or they're actually fairly good, which becomes an issue because if they are actually on the level of arquebuses or muskets or even revolvers and such, they should be endemically popularized and take a very meaningful place in the game world.

    They easily become (and should become, if so) a very large facet of the world. Very much "go big or go home" kind of deal, and there is no middle ground. But some settings still try to have that middle ground, and it's actually shit. In this regard, PoE actually did the right thing; firearms are a big thing. They are both functional and endemic in the background. The firearm is known as "the great equalizer" against magic, and the cannons of Rauatai have ushered in an era of revived imperialism.

    But it all depends on what fantasy aesthetic you're wanting to work with. Most do not want firearms to be this big thing in their faux-medieval worlds, so they easily don't make them big things by relying on any of the aforementioned issues and presto, no major gunpowder presence, with perfectly reasonable explanations.
     
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  17. Gastrick Educated

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    Looks really shit, PoE 2 was a game that has gotten me excited to play it eventually. What a mess Obsidian has become, fucking MicropenisSoft.
    For Outer Worlds, just hearing that it's a "good game" by the former studio who used to make fallout that "showed up" Bethesda was enough to get people to buy it. Their frustration over former Bethesda's Fallout 76 made them more willing to fool themselves into believing whatever nonsense narrative, even after playing it. It's fairly similar to how people think there are ghosts, psychic powers and aliens because they "want to believe" in what they are convinced of even if it isn't real.
     
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  18. Luckmann Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Infinitron, can you confirm?
     
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  19. Flying Dutchman Educated

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    This.
     
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  20. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Yes,ghosts exist!
     
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  21. Avarize Educated

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    "Dude, why don't fantasy settings address gunpowder, electricity, germ theory and the combustion engine!?"
     
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  22. LESS T_T Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Oh right if anyone's interested, Artstation entries for the CGI teaser trailer, made by Axis Studios. Also in case anyone wondered the last first person scene is any clue of actual gameplay than a mere representation, they all (hand models etc.) are made by CGI studio's artists.

    https://www.artstation.com/artwork/nYJPQE

    https://www.artstation.com/artwork/3dEKeD
    https://www.artstation.com/artwork/18LvxG
    https://www.artstation.com/artwork/mDWm3a
     
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  23. BarbequeMasta Learned

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    Tbh it's hard to get excited at anything from Obsidian after Dumpsterfire despite me wanting to, especially when it's set Eora as well, especially when it's Elder scroll clone.
     
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  24. Rafidur Educated

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    Or in one case wipe out literally everybody. Why would you need a gun when you can do that?
     
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  25. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    If you haven't noticed, literally all of the powerful mages in that game are not... mentally well.
     
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