Baldur's Gate #BaldurGate: Siege of Dragonspear

[Lilura]

http://www.destructoid.com/review-baldur-s-gate-siege-of-dragonspear-352947.phtml

What a dull review.

 

[Lilura]

it's also very likely that they *are* feeling the low sales.

I'm not 100% sure about that. Do we have a number? 100,000, 250,000 - more? This sort of controversy may hit them initially but then they bounce back, albeit gradually..

What worries me is that they now have control to sell the older games at least via gog. They shoudln't be able to bundle them with the EEs.

I don't give a fuck about this; why do you?

 

[Infinitron]

Lilura, you're way off. From looking at the number of people who have gotten SoD-specific Steam achievements, there can't be more than a few thousand people who bought it.

 

[Lilura]

Lilura, you're way off.

Unsurprising; it's not my forte. However, I would wager more than a few thousand. What about GoG?

 

[Delterius]

Lilura, you're way off. From looking at the number of people who have gotten SoD-specific Steam achievements, there can't be more than a few thousand people who bought it.

Well, according to Steamspy the average number of players for BG:EE spiked from consistent 15k to upwards of 50k after SoD's release and, yet, median playtime is at an abysmal single hour, which wouldn't be enough to get the first of the expansion's achievements and in some cases not even finishing character creation.

 

[TalesfromtheCrypt]

GOG is small fish compared to Steam. Statistically I'd wager that for any title that isn't somehow GOG exclusive or has other reasons that would cause increased GOG-specific sales (i.e. The Witcher games where GOG is the "native" sales platform), you can just take the Steam numbers and assume that GOG adds 10% to that, tops.

 

[Lilura]

I suspect a gradual bounce back after fixing bugs and bowing to feature requests and rewrites.

I doubt this is the end of them, ala n-space.

 

[Lacrymas]

I somehow doubt it as well, I'm just dreading the eventuality they'll make a BG3 and that this was just a test to see how people would react to that. The negatives about the game itself are mostly the linearity and bugs, the major complaint was the writing, so they can just change the way they write and make BG3.

 

[Turjan]

GOG is small fish compared to Steam. Statistically I'd wager that for any title that isn't somehow GOG exclusive or has other reasons that would cause increased GOG-specific sales (i.e. The Witcher games where GOG is the "native" sales platform), you can just take the Steam numbers and assume that GOG adds 10% to that, tops.

There's one thing: If you didn't have BG:EE but original BG on GoG, BGEE was nearly half the price compared to Steam. Also, you get 10% credit for the DLC, at least for € buyers.

 

[Roguey]

GOG is small fish compared to Steam. Statistically I'd wager that for any title that isn't somehow GOG exclusive or has other reasons that would cause increased GOG-specific sales (i.e. The Witcher games where GOG is the "native" sales platform), you can just take the Steam numbers and assume that GOG adds 10% to that, tops.

This is accurate e.g. http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/divinity-original-sin-2.102060/page-64#post-4333679

 

[Lilura]

http://redmine.beamdog.com/projects/bg-sod-bugs

 

[SionIV]

Wouldn't we also have to consider people buying it from Beamdog? I know that most people on their own forum bought it from the Beamdog store.

 

[Lilura]

I'm just dreading the eventuality they'll make a BG3 ... so they can just change the way they write and make BG3.

Gaider controls the writing in the advent of BG3, which probably means it beats Siege's schlock.

 

[PhantasmaNL]

Not sure about Beamdogs future, maybe it also depends on the role wotc wants to play.

Daily concurrent on steamspy is pretty low at 2k or thereabout. There is a spike in "2 week audience" maxing at 50k but time per player is very low (actually peaking before release, on March 23rd) and trending downwards. Then there are the refunds to factor in, this could be a significant number.

I think it is reasonable to say sales did not meet expectations: 1 million copies was considered possible by the project leader.

From the QA and earlier interviews i gather they saw themselves finally ready to take the leap and start creating games instead of modernizing existing ones. Perhaps this episode is a rude awakening from that dream.

 

[SionIV]

They keep writing on the forum that Siege of Dragonspear is canon, and WoTC are 100% supporting Beamdog. If this hasn't changed recently, I doubt that WotC will be an obstacle for Beamdog when taking Baldur's Gate 3 into consideration.

 

[pippin]

The novelizations of the older games are canon too, by the way.

 

[SionIV]

The novelizations of the older games are canon too, by the way.

So the CHARNAME of Baldur's Gate falls in love with Bodhi, have sex with her and then kills her by mistake in slayer form.

 

[pippin]

The novelizations of the older games are canon too, by the way.

So the CHARNAME of Baldur's Gate falls in love with Bodhi, have sex with her and then kills her by mistake in slayer form.

Yes, and also Jaheira rips her clothes to shreds because a spider had landed in her cleavage.

 

[ZagorTeNej]

Having Gaider onboard still counts for something in the gaming industry (for better or worse), could get them some external funding for BG3 perhaps even if SOD sales don't rebound. I'd actually be interested in a new IE game that isn't an ultra-linear romp/glorified DLC but it is probably too big of a task for them to take on, time will tell I guess.

 

[SionIV]

The novelizations of the older games are canon too, by the way.

So the CHARNAME of Baldur's Gate falls in love with Bodhi, have sex with her and then kills her by mistake in slayer form.

Yes, and also Jaheira rips her clothes to shreds because a spider had landed in her cleavage.

What a book.

 

[DeepOcean]

I dunno if BeamDog will make a BG 3 any time soon, unless kickstarter is involved on some way. WOTC giving them millions to do it seems out of question as they didn't do to N-Space. While I think they will remain on business sorely on BG Enhanced edition sales for some time, this fiasco could cause an impact on an eventual kickstarter for a BG 3. Anyway, if they ever do a BG 3, I don't feel I missed anything anyway, this expansion is so amateurish and badly written that watch the rape continue would be just sad. Maybe Beamdog should create their own IP and learn to be competent game developers first before trying a BG 3...

And fire whoever were the fuckers responsible for the writing on this game, they are actually saboteurs instead of an asset to them.

 

[SionIV]

Having Gaider onboard still counts for something in the gaming industry (for better or worse), could get them some external funding for BG3 perhaps even if SOD sales don't rebound. I'd actually be interested in a new IE game that isn't an ultra-linear romp/glorified DLC but it is probably too big of a task for them to take on, time will tell I guess.

I doubt that Gaider will be able to single-handedly pull Beamdog out of this hole, and make Baldur's Gate 3 possible.

Gaider is no Chris Avellon.

 

[pippin]

What could you possibly add to Baldur's Gate, though? The ending to ToB was pretty much the end of everything for everyone. Most characters are said to die at a given point in the endings. Baldur's Gate 3 would have to be another character, another adventure and pretty much something disconected from everything BG was at a given point.

 

[Prime Junta]

What could you possibly add to Baldur's Gate, though? The ending to ToB was pretty much the end of everything for everyone. Most characters are said to die at a given point in the endings. Baldur's Gate 3 would have to be another character, another adventure and pretty much something disconected from everything BG was at a given point.

George Ziets had some seriously cool ideas. I'm sure the Infinibot will look them up for you any minute now.

 

[SionIV]

What could you possibly add to Baldur's Gate, though? The ending to ToB was pretty much the end of everything for everyone. Most characters are said to die at a given point in the endings. Baldur's Gate 3 would have to be another character, another adventure and pretty much something disconected from everything BG was at a given point.

They are going to use the name to sell games, it's not going to have anything to do with Baldur's Gate except the setting.