Baldur's Gate #BaldurGate: Siege of Dragonspear

[AwesomeButton]

When the Codex review comes out, I'm definitely going to start a thread about it on the Beamdog forums. I want to see how much hate the Codex gets as an "evil misognyist harrasment conspiracy".

omg, I should register a sleeper cell account immediately. :1up:

 

[SionIV]

When the Codex review comes out, I'm definitely going to start a thread about it on the Beamdog forums. I want to see how much hate the Codex gets as an "evil misognyist harrasment conspiracy".

Do the codex reviewers get paid? If not, they are going to be too subjective, and the review won't count.

 

[Space Insect]

When the Codex review comes out, I'm definitely going to start a thread about it on the Beamdog forums. I want to see how much hate the Codex gets as an "evil misognyist harrasment conspiracy".

Do the codex reviewers get paid? If not, they are going to be too subjective, and the review won't count.

We can say they get paid in brofists and potatoes.

 

[pippin]

Maybe the Codex review should ignore the tranny incident entirely, just to see how they try to fit the "le codex is a misogynist hategroup" narrative into it.

 

[SionIV]

Maybe the Codex review should ignore the tranny incident entirely, just to see how they try to fit the "le codex is a misogynist hategroup" narrative into it.

Are you saying that the esteemed RPGcodex should LIE and BEND the TRUTH in their review!? Preposterous!

 

[Tacgnol]

Maybe the Codex review should ignore the tranny incident entirely, just to see how they try to fit the "le codex is a misogynist hategroup" narrative into it.

The Codex review should be critical of the writing as a whole, but positive of Mizhena.

That would blow their minds.

 

[oldmanpaco]

My main problem with SoD is "I DON'T CARE". All this Crusade thing is ok for big adventure integrated in base game or for IWD add-on, but not for full game in BG saga. BG was always about bhaalspawn. Both Sarevok and Irenicus was our personal enemies. Why should i care about Argent? Why should i join people who mostly hate me for my heritage to bring her down?

The best part of BG was Durlag's tower which had jack shit to do with the Bhaalspawn. Their best option would have been to create added quests/adventurers within the main BG game that was independent of the main story line. Don't know if they could do that due to the contractual requirements though.

Also this is the exact reason the new stand alone SW movies are going to suck.

Elminster has literally saved the world multiple times by himself or by acting with a group of other heroes, has fucked almost every notable female spellcaster in the world including two incarnations of Mystra the Goddess of Magic (but not the third incarnation (Midnight) who became Mystra after Time of Troubles - in a weird moment of introspection, third Mystra was so troubled of her predecessors close relationship with Elminster that she wiped his memory - though she grew to love him sufficiently that she invaded The Nine Hells once to rescue her and when the Demon Lords retaliated, all of creation was nearly unraveled) and plenty of non-caster women as well. In Faerun, all women are hot and stroll around in leather thigh-high boots. When entrusted to become the mentor and father-figure for The Seven, he eventually even developed a May-December relationship with The Simbul who, by the way, has a habit of marching around wearing only flowing, open robes even after she becomes the Witch-Queen of Aglarond. I'm not making this shit up, it's all in his books.

Read of lot of FR books have you?

 

[pippin]

Or maybe have one of our wymyn or lgbt individuals to write the review, that would be hilarious as well.
Truth is there's plenty of stuff to talk about the DLC, but Beamdog kinda forced people to talk about the tranny by featuring it as they did. Beamdog are really the Master Baiters.

 

[Murk]

Maybe the Codex review should ignore the tranny incident entirely, just to see how they try to fit the "le codex is a misogynist hategroup" narrative into it.

The Codex review should be critical of the writing as a whole, but positive of Mizhena.

That would blow their minds.

I think a Bubbles style so-sarcastic-you-can't-tell review would be ideal, where-in all the faults are clearly outlined and explained but then waved away with a cheery "but at least their hearts are in the right place!" would do well. Plus, all the fuckwits would fail their sense-motive checks.

 

[sstacks]

sstacks

"This is a thread for official reviews, yes (people are free to think that SoD is better/worse than Witcher games, but this is not a subject of this thread). And it's very hard to define what an official review is.

For example, do http://shaneplays.com/the-siege-of-siege-of-dragonspear-a-baldurs-gate-story/, http://www.zam.com/article/300/why-i-probably-wont-beat-baldurs-gate-siege-of-dragonspear count? "

https://forums.beamdog.com/discussi...-69-100-sod-official-reviews-list-spoilers/p3

My guess is my editorial would not be considered by Beamdog as a review

 

[sstacks]

Funny that he still doesn't have a clue what is this about. Ed Greenwood probably thinks that the problem is that there is a tranny in the game, totally missing the point about the shitty writing.

He most likely has no idea. You have to remember that Ed Greenwood lived all his juvenile fantasies through his characters in Faerun, especially Elminster, his self-insert. Along the way, he became a nerd celebrity and sold a boatload of novels aimed at people who wished to do the same:

Elminster has literally saved the world multiple times by himself or by acting with a group of other heroes, has fucked almost every notable female spellcaster in the world including two incarnations of Mystra the Goddess of Magic (but not the third incarnation (Midnight) who became Mystra after Time of Troubles - in a weird moment of introspection, third Mystra was so troubled of her predecessors close relationship with Elminster that she wiped his memory - though she grew to love him sufficiently that she invaded The Nine Hells once to rescue her and when the Demon Lords retaliated, all of creation was nearly unraveled) and plenty of non-caster women as well. In Faerun, all women are hot and stroll around in leather thigh-high boots. When entrusted to become the mentor and father-figure for The Seven, he eventually even developed a May-December relationship with The Simbul who, by the way, has a habit of marching around wearing only flowing, open robes even after she becomes the Witch-Queen of Aglarond. I'm not making this shit up, it's all in his books.

So to him, Faerun is a place where everybody gets to enact all of their fantasies and dreams. If that means being a tranny shopkeeper, then that's just fine.

My issue with Ed Greenwood's (and some other folks) response to #BaldurGate is that it only addresses the transgender character, when the issue has more elements than just that one piece. For instance, out of 4 new companions, one is gay and one is bisexual. There is obviously an effort to normalize lifestyles by the writers in SOD.

 

[Space Insect]

People can't live up to the rape glory of Josh Sawyer:
Siege of Dragonspear: The Roguey review.

 

[an Administrator]

Codex will probably write a review for SoD as critical as their Undertail review.

 

[sstacks]

^
because actually is about ethics in RPG development?

Nice.

 

[mastroego]

Codex review should have a 3-line-limitation, so it'll only address trannies and rapefugees.

 

[SionIV]

I think that Deuce Traveler should do the review, in style with his retrospect Oblivion one.

 

[Prime Junta]

When the Codex review comes out, I'm definitely going to start a thread about it on the Beamdog forums. I want to see how much hate the Codex gets as an "evil misognyist harrasment conspiracy".

Do the codex reviewers get paid? If not, they are going to be too subjective, and the review won't count.

We can say they get paid in brofists and potatoes.

Lies.

 

[GarfunkeL]

Funny that he still doesn't have a clue what is this about. Ed Greenwood probably thinks that the problem is that there is a tranny in the game, totally missing the point about the shitty writing.

He most likely has no idea. You have to remember that Ed Greenwood lived all his juvenile fantasies through his characters in Faerun, especially Elminster, his self-insert. Along the way, he became a nerd celebrity and sold a boatload of novels aimed at people who wished to do the same:

Elminster has literally saved the world multiple times by himself or by acting with a group of other heroes, has fucked almost every notable female spellcaster in the world including two incarnations of Mystra the Goddess of Magic (but not the third incarnation (Midnight) who became Mystra after Time of Troubles - in a weird moment of introspection, third Mystra was so troubled of her predecessors close relationship with Elminster that she wiped his memory - though she grew to love him sufficiently that she invaded The Nine Hells once to rescue her and when the Demon Lords retaliated, all of creation was nearly unraveled) and plenty of non-caster women as well. In Faerun, all women are hot and stroll around in leather thigh-high boots. When entrusted to become the mentor and father-figure for The Seven, he eventually even developed a May-December relationship with The Simbul who, by the way, has a habit of marching around wearing only flowing, open robes even after she becomes the Witch-Queen of Aglarond. I'm not making this shit up, it's all in his books.

So to him, Faerun is a place where everybody gets to enact all of their fantasies and dreams. If that means being a tranny shopkeeper, then that's just fine.

My issue with Ed Greenwood's (and some other folks) response to #BaldurGate is that it only addresses the transgender character, when the issue has more elements than just that one piece. For instance, out of 4 new companions, one is gay and one is bisexual. There is obviously an effort to normalize lifestyles by the writers in SOD.

Again, he wouldn't have a problem with that. Regardless of him being a 100% red-blooded CISHETSCUM, he probably wouldn't mind gays and bisexuals. I can't think any such characters that he has written though, so maybe I'm wrong. But as J_C said, he doesn't know the details anyway.

 

[SionIV]

"Ok, I hear you ladies and gentlemen!

The OP is edited, blog reviews are no longer counted in the overall score.

I left links to blog reviews, though."

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Also, there're reviews in blogs:

shaneplays.com

matthewhopkinsnews.com

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"I think an official review is done by someone who is a professional reviewer. How do you become a professional reviewer? You get paid to do it. Same thing with being a professional actor/actress, carpenter, or anything else really: to be professional with the thing you're doing, you have to have it as a profession and get paid doing it."

Are you a professional reviewer, sstacks? (teasing )

 

[Prime Junta]

"I think an official review is done by someone who is a professional reviewer. How do you become a professional reviewer? You get paid to do it. Same thing with being a professional actor/actress, carpenter, or anything else really: to be professional with the thing you're doing, you have to have it as a profession and get paid doing it."

Are you a professional reviewer, sstacks? (teasing )

What if you're sometimes paid for it, but sometimes do them for free out of love of the art?

(I used to write reviews for magazines for money. Games for one rag, cameras and stuff for another. That was in the 1990's. The pay is shit though and ever since I got a real job I've only written them if I feel like it.)

 

[SionIV]

"I think an official review is done by someone who is a professional reviewer. How do you become a professional reviewer? You get paid to do it. Same thing with being a professional actor/actress, carpenter, or anything else really: to be professional with the thing you're doing, you have to have it as a profession and get paid doing it."

Are you a professional reviewer, sstacks? (teasing )

What if you're sometimes paid for it, but sometimes do them for free out of love of the art?

(I used to write reviews for magazines for money. Games for one rag, cameras and stuff for another. That was in the 1990's. The pay is shit though and ever since I got a real job I've only written them if I feel like it.)

From what I've understood, there are two criteria.

1.) You're a professional (get paid).
2.) You don't give anything less than 8/10

If you wrote 3 reviews while getting paid, and 5 for free, you would only have 3/8 professional reviews.

 

[sstacks]

"Ok, I hear you ladies and gentlemen!

The OP is edited, blog reviews are no longer counted in the overall score.

I left links to blog reviews, though."

----------------

Also, there're reviews in blogs:

shaneplays.com

matthewhopkinsnews.com

----------------

"I think an official review is done by someone who is a professional reviewer. How do you become a professional reviewer? You get paid to do it. Same thing with being a professional actor/actress, carpenter, or anything else really: to be professional with the thing you're doing, you have to have it as a profession and get paid doing it."

Are you a professional reviewer, sstacks? (teasing )

Hah. Well only if you count Adsense and YouTube ads income on the occasional reviews I do as being "paid"

Although I did have a stint as a paid blogger on Ars Technica back in the day.

 

[SionIV]

"Ok, I hear you ladies and gentlemen!

The OP is edited, blog reviews are no longer counted in the overall score.

I left links to blog reviews, though."

----------------

Also, there're reviews in blogs:

shaneplays.com

matthewhopkinsnews.com

----------------

"I think an official review is done by someone who is a professional reviewer. How do you become a professional reviewer? You get paid to do it. Same thing with being a professional actor/actress, carpenter, or anything else really: to be professional with the thing you're doing, you have to have it as a profession and get paid doing it."

Are you a professional reviewer, sstacks? (teasing )

Hah. Well only if you count Adsense and YouTube ads income on the occasional reviews I do as being "paid"

Although I did have a stint as a paid blogger on Ars Technica back in the day.

You might want to stay here on the RPGcodex then, at least we have potatoes.

 

[orcinator]

Did someone mention those those posts on the Shadowrun PnP's official tumblr (lol)

http://shadowrun.tumblr.com/post/142318502791/we-are-the-future
http://shadowrun.tumblr.com/post/142369971196/im-standing-up

 

[Turjan]

Maybe the Codex review should ignore the tranny incident entirely, just to see how they try to fit the "le codex is a misogynist hategroup" narrative into it.

That's actually what the Gamestar review did (58/100). Not a word about Mizhena or the gg line.