Baldur's Gate #BaldurGate: Siege of Dragonspear

[Infinitron]

Eh, there's always been an insurgency of people who prefer BG1 over BG2 for various reasons. Don't know how you could miss it. For a particular drastic case, see here: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...gate-series-thread.80753/page-47#post-3726295

There's a difference between preferring BG 1 over BG 2 and a large portion of people thinking BG 1 was _great_, the latter is what I was referring to. Unless they just kept silent, which is also possible. More realistically, decline etc. Also, the thread you linked is from a year ago -- I was referring to times in mid-to-late 2000s.

edit: jesus christ dude, the guy who wrote that post is some borderline larping fag talking about his 'journey' in a wall of text that would make Azrael the cat want a tl;dr.

I'm pretty sure lots of people think it's great, too. The whole "Baldur's Gate sucked, Fallout was the real late 90s incline" thing isn't really a widespread phenomenon outside oldschool RPG Codex/NMA circles. Nowadays it may not even be that widespread here.

 

[DeepOcean]

I don't know, but BG 1 is about on par with NWN 2 OC to me.

I agree that BG 1 is a good for what it is RPG, BG 2 is WAY better but I wouldn't go that far to say it is worse than NWN 2 OC. BG 1 had good moments, Beregost, Neshkel and Baldur's Gate were fun to explore, each one of them bigger or the same size as PoE settlements. The world was huge even if the density of content was lacking on some maps. BG 1 had some nonlinearity too, you can go wherever you fucking want right after Candlekeep, just not on Baldur's Gate and some missions on the main plotline allow you to approach things on different ways like the way you could find the bandit camp at random by walking north and getting to the leader's tent by fighting or bullshitting your way inside.

The major flaw of BG 1 were the copy pasted encounters everywhere but there are a few interesting fights later on, especially after the dwarven mines and beyond. NWN 2 engine is a complete piece of shit and there wasn't a single fight that entertained me on that game.

 

[Murk]

I'm pretty sure lots of people think it's great, too. The whole "Baldur's Gate sucked, Fallout was the real late 90s incline" thing isn't really a widespread phenomenon outside oldschool RPG Codex/NMA circles. Nowadays it may not even be that widespread here.

Ok, so you did understand what I said.

 

[Infinitron]

Well, you said "people", not Codexers.

 

[Murk]

I don't know, but BG 1 is about on par with NWN 2 OC to me.

I agree that BG 1 is a good for what it is RPG, BG 2 is WAY better but I wouldn't go that far to say it is worse than NWN 2 OC. BG 1 had good moments, Beregost, Neshkel and Baldur's Gate were fun to explore, each one of them bigger or the same size as PoE settlements. The world was huge even if the density of content was lacking on some maps. BG 1 had some nonlinearity too, you can go wherever you fucking want right after Candlekeep, just not on Baldur's Gate and some missions on the main plotline allow you to approach things on different ways like the way you could find the bandit camp at random by walking north and getting to the leader's tent by fighting or bullshitting your way inside.

The major flaw of BG 1 were the copy pasted encounters everywhere but there are a few interesting fights later on, especially after the dwarven mines and beyond. NWN 2 engine is a complete piece of shit and there wasn't a single fight that entertained me on that game.

I actually don't hate NWN 2 OC -- to me, it is the epitome of "good for what it is" in its representation of an absolutely mediocre game that you can enjoy if you like the ruleset. I liked how much d&d 3.5 was in it, and so I'd play it. If they could have made it top down and more IE like, it'd probably be a pretty fun game. I was hoping PoE would be exactly that, but alas.

With the MotB expansion the game obviously picked up in clearly Ps:T fashion where the setting/characters/plot/writing was great, but the combat was shit. HOWEVER, character creation was itself a very fun experience since you start at a high level -- and I probably spent more time making characters in it than anything else. I realize that's weird, but then one of my favorite cRPGs is character creation in ToEE and then the brief combat test that follows in the bonus module that Troika included in that otherwise wonderful party creation toolkit.

 

[Arthandas]

For all intents and purposes SoD is no longer a Baldur's Gate game since it wasn't made by its authors. The fact it has "Baldur's Gate" in the title means nothing. It's like Piranha Bytes developing a new StarCraft.

 

[Lilura]

Vorpal those who think BG2 is better than BG1.

 

[Murk]

For all intents and purposes SoD is no longer a Baldur's Gate game since it wasn't made by its authors. The fact it has "Baldur's Gate" in the title means nothing. It's like Piranha Bytes developing another Risen game.

ftfy

 

[Tacgnol]

For all intents and purposes SoD is no longer a Baldur's Gate game since it wasn't made by its authors. The fact it has "Baldur's Gate" in the title means nothing. It's like Piranha Bytes developing another Risen game.

ftfy

Too soon man, too soon.

 

[Immortal]

For all intents and purposes SoD is no longer a Baldur's Gate game since it wasn't made by its authors. The fact it has "Baldur's Gate" in the title means nothing. It's like Piranha Bytes developing another Risen game.

Hey... what's that noise..

Spoiler

DEATH TO THE KURWA!!!

 

[Vault Dweller]

I'm pretty sure lots of people think it's great, too. The whole "Baldur's Gate sucked, Fallout was the real late 90s incline" thing isn't really a widespread phenomenon outside oldschool RPG Codex/NMA circles. Nowadays it may not even be that widespread here.

You don't say. I'd venture out on a limb and say that Oblivion/Skyrim/Fallout3 sucks thing isn't really a widespread phenomenon outside places like the Codex either.

 

[Lyric Suite]

One thing i find amusing is that transexuals are pretty much a product of modernity. The process makes use of modern surgical techniques and modern knowledge about chemistry and other things like that. Transexuals would probably fit in a futuristic story about transhumanism and the like, but in a magic world where you can turn people into chickens with a mere spell you have to really go out of your way to make some kind of political statement out of merely changing the sex of a character. The thing with Edwin for instance had nothing to do with transgenderism and the fact Edwin didn't like it and that the whole thing was just a piece of humor at his expense would trigger modern SJWs the same way PoE's transexual joke did.

 

[Murk]

Anyone know of any footage of the last boss encounter? Or even just a link/name of someone who streamed/beat it and has video footage? I looked it up on youtube but didn't find any in the 2-3 strings I searched.

 

[MrMarbles]

You know, when that is the level of writing you produce, it doesn't matter what you're writing about. It doesn't matter if it's an all-straight young man fantasy romp or a lesbian porno or a transsexual rights proclamation, you're just fucked right off the bat. Yes, I get it, it's a "stoners talking" dialogue, but I do recall there were druggies in BG1 and BG2, and while they were smoked out of their mind, their lines weren't "TV stereotype stoner"

Man, if that isn't fake, that's just fucking horrendous and a testament to the fact that everyone can apparently be a fucking writer in gamedev. No standards at all, NONE.

This is all that needs to be said.

 

[Mustawd]

In the meantime, there's a WOTC executive in charge of IP licensing sweating bullets somewhere....

 

[Infinitron]

In the meantime, there's a WOTC executive in charge of IP licensing sweating bullets somewhere....

It's not often you see two implosions of the same license within days of each other.

 

[Trashos]

I'm pretty sure lots of people think it's great, too. The whole "Baldur's Gate sucked, Fallout was the real late 90s incline" thing isn't really a widespread phenomenon outside oldschool RPG Codex/NMA circles. Nowadays it may not even be that widespread here.

You don't say. I'd venture out on a limb and say that Oblivion/Skyrim/Fallout3 sucks thing isn't really a widespread phenomenon outside places like the Codex either.

Yeah, but that's because everyone who dislikes F3-4 (and the whole culture that goes with it) ends up here. I know I did. There was nowhere else to go.

 

[Grotesque]

There's going to be a next time? They better bench Amber, actually bench all of them and hire MCA.

Let's not bring MCA into this:

Chris Avellone has played Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear and is "pretty jealous" of its writing
Source: http://www.pcgamesn.com/baldurs-gat...agonspear-being-pretty-jealous-of-its-writing

time for a title change for the MCA appreciation thread.
MCA needs to go to the fat rpg camp because he... whatever

She's on the writing team of Divinity Original Sin 2.
This whole scandal warped my soul and now I imagine her furiously typing/implementing social justice propaganda in her writing and Swen Vincke stealthily browsing her work and trying to avert a future clusterfuck.
And MCA waxing his shaft to this picture all day and contemplating at how much more time his Torment notoriety will still keep him afloat in the future before everybody realizing that the old Avellone is truly dead.

 

[Murk]

I saw him die. Torn apart by wolves. It's like a bad dream, because I see it over and over. Replaying like some horrible snuff film.

In my dream I step away from the computer, rub my bleary eyes and look up at the sky outside my window. The sun seems paler, the sky duller. The worst part is, I'm still in the dream.

I realize now, MCA died in those mountains and those who pray to false gods deserve the silence they receive.

 

[Trashos]

Why are we assuming that the young lady is a SJW?

 

[Infinitron]

She's on the writing team of Divinity Original Sin 2.

Was also on the D:OS 1 writing team. You should be more worried about that Irish gang they recruited for the second game, they're an unknown factor.

 

[Excidium II]

There's going to be a next time? They better bench Amber, actually bench all of them and hire MCA.

Let's not bring MCA into this:

Chris Avellone has played Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear and is "pretty jealous" of its writing
Source: http://www.pcgamesn.com/baldurs-gat...agonspear-being-pretty-jealous-of-its-writing

RPG developers really need to retire after a certain age.

 

[Bastion]

One thing i find amusing is that transexuals are pretty much a product of modernity.

Not at all, they have always had an impact in some cultures and religions. They were sometimes consider as a soul within a wrong body (touched by gods) and as a result transexuals had a very important religious jobs, eg. having sex with someone like that was considered as a fertility charm, worth to add, having sex with a pederast was treated like a dishonour but with this special kind of trans it wasn't a dishonour.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Typically women that look like that don't hate men, sex or themselves enough to become SJWs.

 

[Fitz]

Why are we assuming that the young lady is a SJW?

Horn rimmed glasses, the infection might still be latent though.