Baldur's Gate #BaldurGate: Siege of Dragonspear

[Mustawd]

Man, if you guys are gonna start freaking out about every old forum post, how about going way back to 2012, when Trent Oster was still in his arrogant greenfield mode and talking about adding multiplayer to PS:T? Yes, that actually happened.

Gross.

 

[Excidium II]

Yes, I'm good with more development in a realistic way that does not define the character just because they are trans. Also glad the GG line is gone.

But it's a character that solely exists because of that. You're just gonna get more talk about transgender struggles.

 

[imweasel]

We’ve received feedback around Mizhena, a supporting character who reveals she is transgender. In retrospect, it would have been better served if we had introduced a transgender character with more development.

So now they are going to add more background story to the tranny instead of just deleting those two (literally two) controversial sentences. Probably going to be a sob story about how her life sucked as a man before she finally went to a hedge mage to get her gender changed.

Beamdog is not a learning animal.

I just want to make it crystal clear that Beamdog does not condone this behavior, and moreover that it will not have the desired effect as we stand behind all our developers 100%.

What? The anti-SJWs already got what they wanted. Not to mention that Amber Scott will most likely be trolled until she leaves the industry anyway.

 

[Infinitron]

when Trent Oster was still in his arrogant greenfield mode and talking about adding multiplayer to PS:T? Yes, that actually happened.

Got a link?

Nah, my high resolution memory banks don't go far that back.

But generally one of the reasons Beamdog attracted so much ire from the very beginning is that Trent was very cocky about things at first. Promising to release lots of "BG DLC" on Twitter (which never happened). Or in one interview, when asked if they would license another company's engine to make a BG3, he was like "fuck noes, we don't need that, we roll our own cuz that's the best way to go". This while his team was having plenty of trouble just enhancing an existing engine.

 

[Maculo]

Man, if you guys are gonna start freaking out about every old forum post, how about going way back to 2012, when Trent Oster was still in his arrogant greenfield mode and talking about adding multiplayer to PS:T? Yes, that actually happened.

I was not on the purge wagon before, whereas now I am firmly on the purge wagon. A PST:EE would be a mistake. Specifically, my issue is not with high rez models, but the fact that Beamdog attempts to add characters and quests. I do not want to see Amber Scott try her hand at "modernizing" PST.

 

[Mustawd]

Yes, I'm good with more development in a realistic way that does not define the character just because they are trans. Also glad the GG line is gone.

But it's a character that solely exists because of that. You're just gonna get more talk about transgender struggles.

They're working with the crap that Amber person left them. I'm ok with that.

Not to mention that Amber Scott will most likely be trolled until she leaves the industry anyway.

Even if she doesn't she's been pretty damn embarrassed for the pathetic attempt at character writing. Anyway, they probably put that line in there so they can say "we didn't bow down to the abuse!" to their fanbois.

 

[Hegel]

Nah, my high resolution memory banks don't go far that back.

But generally one of the reasons Beamdog attracted so much ire from the very beginning is that Trent was very cocky about things at first. Promising to release lots of "BG DLC" on Twitter (which never happened). Or in one interview, when asked if they would license another company's engine to make a BG3, he was like "fuck noes, we don't need that, we roll our own cuz that's the best way to go". This while his team was having plenty of trouble just enhancing an existing engine.

Ah, the "we got access to the original sourcecode" then morphed into "lol joke, just kidding. Hq stuff is too much work" meme.

 

[Western]

Man, if you guys are gonna start freaking out about every old forum post, how about going way back to 2012, when Trent Oster was still in his arrogant greenfield mode and talking about adding multiplayer to PS:T? Yes, that actually happened.

Look at that statement Infinitron, the evidence is before you, yet you refuse to repudiate everything this criminal says and does.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Not to mention that Amber Scott will most likely be trolled until she leaves the industry anyway.

Even if she doesn't she's been pretty damn embarrassed for the pathetic attempt at character writing. Anyway, they probably put that line in there so they can say "we didn't bow down to the abuse!" to their fanbois.

If they had given complete satisfaction to one camp, this would have just caused the pendulum to swing the other way.

I remember watching this regional league football (soccer) game where the referee gave a penalty to one team, and the other team jumped at him with the intention to beat his ass up. He got afraid and cancelled the penalty, which caused the other team to go chasing him. Beamdog is kind of like in this position, though with more room to maneuver, hehe.

The other analogy, which I kind of like better: http://9gag.com/gag/avP9nbd

BTW, imagine Scott leaving Beamdog on the grounds that her creative freedom has been violated. After all, "if someone doesn't like it, too bad", right?

 

[Mustawd]

when Trent Oster was still in his arrogant greenfield mode and talking about adding multiplayer to PS:T? Yes, that actually happened.

Got a link?

Nah, my high resolution memory banks don't go far that back.

But generally one of the reasons Beamdog attracted so much ire from the very beginning is that Trent was very cocky about things at first. Promising to release lots of "BG DLC" on Twitter (which never happened). Or in one interview, when asked if they would license another company's engine to make a BG3, he was like "fuck noes, we don't need that, we roll our own cuz that's the best way to go". This while his team was having plenty of trouble just enhancing an existing engine.

 

[Immortal]

"WE would use OUR Infinity Enhanced Engine"...

 

[Fitz]

Minsc – Minsc has a line which generated controversy. Looking back on the line, we agree with the feedback from our community, it has nothing to do with his character and we will be removing the line.

Why? Isn't it a bit late to have second thoughts about it now? That'll just make the SJWs mad since they'll argue that GG, BernieBros or whatever boogeyman they currently have made Beamdog censor themselves and that'll continue the controversy. Why not just admit that they made a bad call but let it stay in the game?

Not that I disagree with the decision mind you, that shit doesn't belong in Baldur's Gate and I hope even the most rabid progressive can see that but I really don't want to see developers cave into pressure to remove content no matter what sort of politics, religion or ideology they might have. It bothers me a lot since it sets a bad precedent, just like the Firedorn affair did.

 

[Mustawd]

I really don't want to see developers cave into pressure to remove content no matter what sort of politics, religion or ideology they might have. It bothers me a lot since it sets a bad precedence, just like the Firedorn affair did.

This is a dev that is responding to community feedback, and you are against this? This is hardly any other game. The community is small enough where the protests were making a significant dent in the game's and the studio's viability.

It's not like the same amount of people can even come close to moving the needle on a Bioware game for instance.

I actually think it sets a great precedence: If you are a small RPG dev, make sure you are not shoe-horning characters into a game for diversity reasons only. And if the writing turns out to be good and people like it then maybe other SJWs will take note and see that just throwing a ton of random diverse groups in there is just plain lazy.

 

[Echo Mirage]

That statement is pathetic and thin on the ground. It reeks of a company that knows it did wrong. But is completely unwilling to admit it. They make no mention of Amber's antagonistic tone in interviews and on the forums. Or all the shit Dee pulled since this shitstorm started. Its little more than a rushed statement in an attempt to patch the hull of an ship already half sunk. To little to late.

 

[Atlantico]

I actually think it sets a great precedence: If you are a small RPG dev, make sure you are not shoe-horning characters into a game for diversity reasons only. And if the writing turns out to be good and people like it then maybe other SJWs will take note and see that just throwing a ton of random diverse groups in there is just plain lazy.

If that's the lesson Beamdog devs learn, then that's a smart lesson to learn. They are an unusual company, one which lives solely by refurbishing old IPs, and should really really have been aware of this beforehand. I don't know if that is a lesson that will stick with them, the Bioware is strong in them, they have a lot of key people from SJW Bioware - true believers - so it's hard to say. It's not like Gaider has money issues, he's not intimidated by losing his paycheck. Amber perhaps, and the other foot-soldiers.

In the end it is very smart to just remove the Minsc "special" line. Trying to flesh out their tranny character is a good idea in theory, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. And then there are all the other issues the game has, technical and story-related and their attitude towards their fans and the community. What I'm saying is that Beamdog is collectively taking their first step in a long journey... or a very short one indeed.

 

[J_C]

when Trent Oster was still in his arrogant greenfield mode and talking about adding multiplayer to PS:T? Yes, that actually happened.

Got a link?

Nah, my high resolution memory banks don't go far that back.

But generally one of the reasons Beamdog attracted so much ire from the very beginning is that Trent was very cocky about things at first. Promising to release lots of "BG DLC" on Twitter (which never happened). Or in one interview, when asked if they would license another company's engine to make a BG3, he was like "fuck noes, we don't need that, we roll our own cuz that's the best way to go". This while his team was having plenty of trouble just enhancing an existing engine.

Please, do a PST Enhanced Editon! I genuinly would like them to make it. Could you imagine the shitstorm that would cause? PST is held in such a high esteem among videogames, that any fuckup on Beamdogs part would make the internet explode. And not like this SJW type of butthurt, no, that would be nothing compared to that. The universe would probably implode in itself.

 

[Lacrymas]

I actually think it sets a great precedence: If you are a small RPG dev, make sure you are not shoe-horning anything into a game for its own sake. And if the writing turns out to be good and people like it then maybe other SJWs will take note and see that just throwing a ton of random diverse groups in there is just plain lazy.

Fix'd. I also don't know where that "if the writing turns out to be good" optimism comes from.

 

[Gay-Lussac]

Jesus fucking christ, they have recognized their error in both counts and in one case are going to flat out remove the line that's causing controversy.

What the fuck would have pleased you people? Trent Oyster taking a flamethrower and setting Amber Scott on fire and uploading the whole thing to youtube? "HEY FUCKERS WASSUP HERE AT BEAMDONG THSS IS WHAT WE DO TO SJWS NOW THANKS FOR MAKING US SEE THE LIGHT. ALSO, WE'RE REMOVING OUR GAME FROM STEAM BECAUSE YOURE RIGHT IT SUCKS! THANKS!"(In before "Lolololol yeah that's what we want" replies)

I know that this crusade is a huge part of some peoples lives on both sides of this retarded bullshit, but learn to take your victories, move on and get a fucking grip, seriously

 

[Infinitron]

You don't flog your own employees in public. What Amber Scott did is their fault too. They placed her in a position she wasn't suited to. (actually, this may be why she was eventually promoted to marketing)

 

[Mustawd]

I actually think it sets a great precedence: If you are a small RPG dev, make sure you are not shoe-horning anything into a game for its own sake. And if the writing turns out to be good and people like it then maybe other SJWs will take note and see that just throwing a ton of random diverse groups in there is just plain lazy.

Fix'd. I also don't know where that "if the writing turns out to be good" optimism comes from.

Fair enough.

 

[Immortal]

You don't flog your own employees in public. What Amber Scott did is their fault too.

But it would appease the mob...

 

[mastroego]

David Gaider has a point when he says people are making too much over one random NPC who really doesn't do anything.

...except push the agenda, then.
Which is why the character was pushed in.
Which is why the audience pushes back.

 

[Tao]

It's one after another.

http://imgur.com/a/ASid5

That nope is the culmination of a master writer right there

I dont even know what to choose because all the answer anger them XD

 

[Trashos]

(actually, this may be why she was eventually promoted to marketing)

2 winning moves in a row right there.

 

[Ezrite]

But it's a character that solely exists because of that. You're just gonna get more talk about transgender struggles.

Oh just you wait until they get to make a Ravebloft game based on Barovia, turning Count Von Strahd gay and ignoring the xenophobia and racism, paranoia of the Barovian people as they "iadul!" you in their Balok.