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BruceVC

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I don't get why so many people care about romances so much. It is completely dissociated from the gameplay almost every single case. There are few exceptions like Mount & Blade, where marrying gives right to rule, affects the relationship with your wive's family and her kingdom/town among other things. Other example is Heather Poe which affects a bit the late parts of the game, but she is more like a blood doll/slave/ghoul than a proper romance option.

Would be interesting if for example in a Ravenloft : Strahd possession, romancing the obcession of Stahd, Tatyana had terrible consequences in the game, with Strahd becoming completely furious, or if sleeping with a succubus could gradually make you enslaved by her and she will demand something atrocious and more sex you had with her makes more difficulty to break her domination spell.
Great idea for a Succubus type Romance, do you have party interaction and Romance in Ravenloft? I want to play this game

But to answer your first question and I can only speak on behalf of myself. Romance is not that important, its just an aspect of party interaction and companion side quests. These mechanics are more important than Romance but Romance adds additional levels of realism and RP entertainment
 

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I don't get why so many people care about romances so much.
About the only kind of romance I'd say I liked was Nameless One and Fall-From-Grace. It's not in your face, it doesn't have sex or kissing scenes. It just goes by slowly and you can even miss it. But the ending of the game perfectly showcases it in the form of the following exchange:

"So you have found yourself at last?"
YES. THE PRICE WAS... HIGH. THE COST WAS MANY LIFETIMES, MINE AND OTHERS.
"The price of such a thing is seldom measured in copper. Are you still -"
I AM STILL THE ONE YOU KNOW - BUT MY PERSPECTIVE HAS... CHANGED. I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN YOU, IF THAT IS YOUR FEAR.
"No, that was not my fear."
I CANNOT REMAIN HERE FOR MUCH LONGER. MY PUNISHMENT CALLS, AND FATE AND TIME SHALL SOON BE HERE. I WILL RETURN YOU TO SIGIL, IF YOU WISH.
"That is not my wish. I *will* find you again, no matter where in the Lower Planes you will be - just as you shall be able to find me."
IT MAY BE A LONG TIME. WHERE I AM BOUND, TIME IS NOT MEASURED IN YEARS. AND THE CRIMES I HAVE COMMITTED ARE STRONGER THAN ANY CAGE.
"No cage shall separate us, and no Plane shall divide us. Keep thinking of me, and we shall meet again."
I SHALL NOT FORGET ALL YOU SACRIFICED FOR ME.
"Just do not forget me."
TIME LAYS WASTE TO ALL THINGS. BUT I SHALL FIGHT IT AS LONG AS I CAN.
"Time is not your enemy. Forever is."
 

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I don't get why so many people care about romances so much.
About the only kind of romance I'd say I liked was Nameless One and Fall-From-Grace. It's not in your face, it doesn't have sex or kissing scenes. It just goes by slowly and you can even miss it. But the ending of the game perfectly showcases it in the form of the following exchange:

"So you have found yourself at last?"
YES. THE PRICE WAS... HIGH. THE COST WAS MANY LIFETIMES, MINE AND OTHERS.
"The price of such a thing is seldom measured in copper. Are you still -"
I AM STILL THE ONE YOU KNOW - BUT MY PERSPECTIVE HAS... CHANGED. I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN YOU, IF THAT IS YOUR FEAR.
"No, that was not my fear."
I CANNOT REMAIN HERE FOR MUCH LONGER. MY PUNISHMENT CALLS, AND FATE AND TIME SHALL SOON BE HERE. I WILL RETURN YOU TO SIGIL, IF YOU WISH.
"That is not my wish. I *will* find you again, no matter where in the Lower Planes you will be - just as you shall be able to find me."
IT MAY BE A LONG TIME. WHERE I AM BOUND, TIME IS NOT MEASURED IN YEARS. AND THE CRIMES I HAVE COMMITTED ARE STRONGER THAN ANY CAGE.
"No cage shall separate us, and no Plane shall divide us. Keep thinking of me, and we shall meet again."
I SHALL NOT FORGET ALL YOU SACRIFICED FOR ME.
"Just do not forget me."
TIME LAYS WASTE TO ALL THINGS. BUT I SHALL FIGHT IT AS LONG AS I CAN.
"Time is not your enemy. Forever is."

The Planescape Romance was great but it wasnt a " real " Romance because you didnt end up having physical relationship with Grace which was disappointing
 
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this will revoultioinize videog ames. this and starfield. F A C T !!!
It just works
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do you have party interaction and Romance in Ravenloft? I want to play this game

Nope. No romances, you create 2 characters with a Tarot style character creation screen and can recruit more two. You will gonna suffer a bit with controls but thrust me. Worth. The game is amazing. If you wanna start with Stone prophet or import a save from Strahd possession, I suggest creating at least an pure magic and a cleric. There are no pure mage companions in the 2nd game and if you multiclass, you will not gonna see 6th tier spells and believe on me, TRUE seeing, disintegrate and DEATH spell(circle of death in 3e) are amazing spells and will gonna save your life multiple times. Also, jump/fly is vital in the second game and not needing to use potions for it is great. Clerics are must have in both games, high tier undeads are as nasty as they where in 2E. They will inflict negative levels(if you don't have protection from negative plane) and turn undead is a must have in the castle, crypt and other areas.

PAladins are also quite great. IF you look into walktroughts to pass certain parts with hidden buttons, 90%+ will be playing as a Paladin.
 
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BruceVC

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do you have party interaction and Romance in Ravenloft? I want to play this game

Nope. No romances, you create 2 characters with a Tarot style character creation screen and can recruit more two. You will gonna suffer a bit but thrust me. Worth. The game is amazing. If you wanna start with Stone prophet or import a save from Strahd possession, I suggest creating at least an pure magic and a cleric. There are no pure mage companions in the 2nd game and if you multiclass, you will not gonna see 6th tier spells and believe on me, TRUE seeing, disintegrate and DEATH spell(circle of death in 3e) are amazing spells and will gonna save your life multiple times. Also, jump/fly is vital in the second game and not needing to use potions for it is great. Clerics are must have in both games, high tier undeads are as nasty as they where in 2E. They will inflict negative levels(if you don't have protection from negative plane) and turn undead is a must have in the castle, crypt and other areas.

PAladins are also quite great. IF you look into walktroughts to pass certain parts with hidden buttons, 90%+ will be playing as a Paladin.

Thanks, I will get additional feedback from you and others about this game closer to the time I am going to play it. I have followed some of the CRPG debates you guys have had on these types of iconic games

I used to DM in AD&D for 12 years and Ravenloft, Greyhawk and FR were my favorite game worlds

But Ravenloft was great with the whole Gothic horror theme. Quest for Glory 4 reminds me of that type of design
 

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I don't get why so many people care about romances so much. It is completely dissociated from the gameplay almost every single case.
Because the idea of romancing a hot girl has certain allure to it? And in a genre that's focused on relationships (party relationships in particular) romance is bound to focus a lot of interest? Especially in a single-player cRPG? That is focused around player's choices? The real issue is not the existence of romances as such, but how they are handled - it's better not to have them than have them done poorly.

The Planescape Romance was great but it wasnt a " real " Romance because you didnt end up having physical relationship with Grace which was disappointing
Romance =/= Sex.
 

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The Planescape Romance was great but it wasnt a " real " Romance because you didnt end up having physical relationship with Grace which was disappointing
Putting aside the fact that Fall-From-Grace is a succubus who could kill Nameless by just kissing him, romance in video game isn't meaningless just because you didn't get to see it all straight up.

Yea, that's why they're mo-capping sex scenes. To not show them later.
He's talking about Planescape: Torment.
 

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The Planescape Romance was great but it wasnt a " real " Romance because you didnt end up having physical relationship with Grace which was disappointing
Putting aside the fact that Fall-From-Grace is a succubus who could kill Nameless by just kissing him, romance in video game isn't meaningless just because you didn't get to see it all straight up.

Yea, that's why they're mo-capping sex scenes. To not show them later.
He's talking about Planescape: Torment.
I wonder if sex would Grace would kill the Nameless One because he had a form of immortality ?
 

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But Ravenloft was great with the whole Gothic horror theme.

Barovia is Gothic horror. There are many Dark Lords, each one with his realm of dread where they are rulers and cursed prisoners at the same time... The second game, Stone prophet is set in a Egypt like desert known as Har'Akir. And the Dark Lord, instead of an ancient vampire necromancer, is a mummy cleric.

I will not spoil much but instead of a obsession with a woman, his obsession is with Eternal life and he got it in a very twisted way.

Stone prophet


I just don't get why Woketards decided to outright IGNORE 99% of good D&D settings from 2E and their iconic 3E Eberron and focus only in Sword Coast... But considering how modern RPG are, maybe this is a good thing. I mean, imagine lv 4 Zulkir's with 666 hp in a Baldur's Gate 3 game set in Thay(is Faerun but is a less cliche part of Faerun). Imagine all "problematization" from SJW's if a true Dark Sun crpg comes... I remember when I watched a stream of Dark Sun in 5E, pronouns in character sheet, a lv 1 wizard killing templars and spamming firebolt left and right(note : magic is HATED in athas, you need to be cautious when casting spells), they invented a democratic progrssive city in Athas ruled by a dwarf woman and they got a "sandship" at lv 1.

I wonder if sex would Grace would kill the Nameless One because he had a form of immortality ?

uccubus cn chose to kill or not kill and the nameless one would just "reborn'...
 
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The Planescape Romance was great but it wasnt a " real " Romance because you didnt end up having physical relationship with Grace which was disappointing
Putting aside the fact that Fall-From-Grace is a succubus who could kill Nameless by just kissing him, romance in video game isn't meaningless just because you didn't get to see it all straight up.

Yea, that's why they're mo-capping sex scenes. To not show them later.
He's talking about Planescape: Torment.
I wonder if sex would Grace would kill the Nameless One because he had a form of immortality ?

You can kiss her and die if your character is dumb.
 
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I don't get why so many people care about romances so much.
About the only kind of romance I'd say I liked was Nameless One and Fall-From-Grace. It's not in your face, it doesn't have sex or kissing scenes. It just goes by slowly and you can even miss it. But the ending of the game perfectly showcases it in the form of the following exchange:

"So you have found yourself at last?"
YES. THE PRICE WAS... HIGH. THE COST WAS MANY LIFETIMES, MINE AND OTHERS.
"The price of such a thing is seldom measured in copper. Are you still -"
I AM STILL THE ONE YOU KNOW - BUT MY PERSPECTIVE HAS... CHANGED. I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN YOU, IF THAT IS YOUR FEAR.
"No, that was not my fear."
I CANNOT REMAIN HERE FOR MUCH LONGER. MY PUNISHMENT CALLS, AND FATE AND TIME SHALL SOON BE HERE. I WILL RETURN YOU TO SIGIL, IF YOU WISH.
"That is not my wish. I *will* find you again, no matter where in the Lower Planes you will be - just as you shall be able to find me."
IT MAY BE A LONG TIME. WHERE I AM BOUND, TIME IS NOT MEASURED IN YEARS. AND THE CRIMES I HAVE COMMITTED ARE STRONGER THAN ANY CAGE.
"No cage shall separate us, and no Plane shall divide us. Keep thinking of me, and we shall meet again."
I SHALL NOT FORGET ALL YOU SACRIFICED FOR ME.
"Just do not forget me."
TIME LAYS WASTE TO ALL THINGS. BUT I SHALL FIGHT IT AS LONG AS I CAN.
"Time is not your enemy. Forever is."

Holy gay.
 

BruceVC

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BG1 straight up kill you if you accept to be kissed by some random thot.
You wont believe this but I havent played BG1 yet. I have only played BG2 and BG2: ToB is my favorite RPG of all time

So who do mean when you mean "random thot"?
 

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I don't get why so many people care about romances so much. It is completely dissociated from the gameplay almost every single case.
Extremely simple. They are horny nerds who get laid once a year. In a lucky year. Don't tell me you think it"s more complicated, cause it's rather simple
 
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I don't get why so many people care about romances so much. It is completely dissociated from the gameplay almost every single case.
Extremely simple. They are horny nerds who get laid once a year. In a lucky year. Don't tell me you think it"s more complicated, cause it's rather simple
I thought they are trannies wrecked by hormone therapy that cannot get laid at all
 

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People like romance in rpg because it's more interesting to have romance with sucubus than go on a date with tinder thot why do you even play those games? You want adventure go on a walk you want combat beat some random bum on the street, just don't forget to tell him he needs to wait for his turn to hit you back (TB is superior combat system)
 

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