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Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 by Larian Studios - now available on Early Access

Discussion in 'Larian Studios' started by Infinitron, Oct 6, 2020.

  1. vortex Fabulous Optimist

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    Post list of things Larian should add or change to gameplay, writing, story to make BG3 incline, game of the decade.
     
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  2. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    most of the issues that codex was vocal about were fixed with the last patch
     
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  3. vortex Fabulous Optimist

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    Since when you hold representative opiniounz of codexia?
     
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  4. Larianshill Scholar

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    There's a lot of things to improve, but here are a few.
    1) Fix the reaction (and smite) system to make it just like Solasta
    2) Implement a normal party select screen like in Dragon Age Origins
    3) Delete Astarion from the game
    4) Fix sneak attack, so it's automatic and dependant on conditions - just like it should be.
     
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  5. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    you can kill him the very first moment you interact with him
    you can also
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    sell him out to a monster hunter or w/e it is
     
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  6. Larianshill Scholar

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    Yes, but you have to do it manually, through Ctrl+Click. Even when he reveals himself as a vampire abomination, the writing doesn't allow you to kill him. Also, the fact that this homo is in the game to begin with is bad.
     
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  7. Gargaune Magister

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    Top billing for me:
    1. Add shift+click to chain/unchain individual characters, we're halfway there after they added a chain/unchain all keybind;
    2. Add camera options for screen edge turning, both vertical and horizontal, unlock pitch from zoom;
    3. Characters should join the initiative order as soon as they perceive combat, not act freely until they are perceived by the enemy;
    4. Extend stealth to involve rolls when approaching from behind an enemy as well;
    5. Swap Shove to be an Action rather than a Bonus Action, there's already an overemphasis on verticality.

    There's a ton of other stuff, some smaller, some larger but out of scope by now, but I think Larian could have a solid contender if they dealt with the above.

    Don't have high hopes for this decade, do you?
     
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  8. Fedora Master Arcane Patron Edgy

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    They should stop raping the corpse of a venerable franchise.
     
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  9. Larianshill Scholar

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    But Original Sin 2 was a worthy successor to the originals.
     
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  10. Fedora Master Arcane Patron Edgy

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    Where's the joke? The fact it isn't true?
     
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  11. 0sacred Educated

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    companions that are worth a damn and not hurr durr agenda pushers.

    So far you have the choice between two valkyries, one trying to boss you around and failing and the other trying to be snide and failing. And the weak manlet companions are just as bad.

    What would make it instant incline is a brute barbarian type companion, Korgan 2.0. Most RPG's have shied away from that.
     
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  12. Hace El Oso Arcane Patron

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    None of the new wave ‘developers’ know how to write that kind of character with a straight face, even if they wanted to. And they don’t.
     
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  13. 0sacred Educated

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  14. Spectacle Arcane Patron

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    Most of these issues, and more, should be fixable by mods. Of course it doesn't speak well of Larian's design skill if mods are needed to fix obvious problems, but it's better than no fixes.
     
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  15. Anonona Learned

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    This one is caused by the multiplayer system of the game. They want players to be able to act independently from one another, which includes being able to speak to NPCs and do quests while other players are fighting on the other side of the map. I guess they could force player to enter combat when close, which I'm not sure how feasible it would be, or add timed turns at least on higher difficulties so you cannot just take your time flanking the enemies and positioning them.
     
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  16. Non-Edgy Gamer Scholar

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    Yeah. Or kill him
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    if he tries to suck your blood iirc.

    There are plenty of opportunities to kill or exile all the companions, from what I've seen.

    I like him though. It's like dragging vampire Milo Yianopolis around with you and listening to him make snide comments about everyone. :M

    The entire concept of the starter companions in BG3 is that none of you necessarily like each other. You're all thrown into a difficult situation and *if* you team up, it's for a shared need for survival, not because you all feel you're so compatible. It creates a lot of opportunity for character growth and roleplaying vs just sticking you with whatever 3 or 4 people who agree with you and, at most, chime in to reaffirm the decisions you were already going to make.
     
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  17. Spectacle Arcane Patron

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    While this might be a great premise for the next season of Paradise Hotel, it's note representative of how D&D is usually played on the tabletop.
     
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  18. Fedora Master Arcane Patron Edgy

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    Larian are retarded and too hide bound to change their designs, news at 11
     
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  19. Gargaune Magister

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    I wouldn't count on it, the first two are feasible only if the relevant input listeners are exposed, the following two need to be worked into core combat and AI. Larian's platform seems more moddable than most, but we're talking Bethesda-style access and infrastructure. That last one with Shove can be easily fixed, yes, people have already done ruleset mods in the EA.

    That's the reason, yes, but just like the chain system, it's an inadequate solution to the problem and there are better approaches to it. Specifically in this case, if you do it how I said and you roll initiative when a character perceives combat, rather than being perceived, you can still have another player do his thing somewhere else out of range. That other player will only get dragged into combat if he's on scene, just like he would in tabletop D&D.

    Larian's current implementation, on the other hand, is absurd and exploitable, especially when you also factor in the free stealth outside of vision cones. I once had Shadowheart skulk around that one village ambush and cull half the goblins just by shoving them off their rooftops before taking a single turn with my in-combat characters.
     
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  20. Non-Edgy Gamer Scholar

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    Oh the fascinating games you must have played with a handful of yes men that agree with everything you say and do.
     
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  21. Harthwain Cipher

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    How often are cRPGs respresentative of how RPGs are played at the tabletop though? One of the (very few) things I liked about Divinity: Original Sin 1 was when the other starting character would disagree with my decision, meaning there was some sort of internal disagreement that got settled via the rock-paper-scissors minigame. While the minigame itself wasn't all that amazing (although I didin't hate it, either) I really liked the premise behind it, because people can have varying opinions on what course of action to take (evenmoreso considering their character's background).

    Also, giving NPCs agency means the player has to reckon with them having their own goals and interests.
     
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  22. Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Arcane

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    The other day while playing WoTR and doing a "pressure plates puzzle" where you need to position characters in a specific way I instinctively tried to drag a portrait away from the party.
    That's when I realized that Larian tainted my innocent soul forever with their garbage chain/unchain system.
     
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  23. jackofshadows Magister

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    While you're at it, go play some Encased, brah.
     
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  24. Fedora Master Arcane Patron Edgy

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    So they uninstalled the game with the latest patch?
     
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  25. Black Arcane

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    They replaced the whole UI?
     
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