Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Longes]

The biggest power move would be BG3 supporting save import from Throne of Baal.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

most of the public is not expecting a game that is in any way similar to it.

Then they shouldn't have called it Baldur's Gate, plain and simple.

I agree, bg2 should have been called something else because it didn't take place in baldur's gate.

It should be called Shadows of Amn, but the general audience would be too dumb to realize that it's a sequel to Baldur's Gate.

Baldur's Gate 2 was literally called "Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn", indicating it takes places in Amn, while also being a sequel to Baldur's Gate 1. That was the whole point. It made sense.

It would do that if it was called Shadows of Amn: A Sequel to Baldur's Gate. The title implies that the game take place in Baldur's Gate, and Amn being involved in some way.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

most of the public is not expecting a game that is in any way similar to it.

Then they shouldn't have called it Baldur's Gate, plain and simple.

I agree, bg2 should have been called something else because it didn't take place in baldur's gate.

It should be called Shadows of Amn, but the general audience would be too dumb to realize that it's a sequel to Baldur's Gate.

Baldur's Gate 2 was literally called "Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn", indicating it takes places in Amn, while also being a sequel to Baldur's Gate 1. That was the whole point. It made sense.

It would do that if it was called Shadows of Amn: A Sequel to Baldur's Gate. The title implies that the game take place in Baldur's Gate, and Amn being involved in some way.

No, since Baldur's Gate as the name of the series represents a linguistic construction which showcases the whole (a.i. the Forgotten Realms setting) through a symbolic part; it has nothing to do with the plot of the game itself.

Forgot what this phenomenon is called, but it's the same thing as talking about the 'Kremlin' instead of the Russian government.

 

[ChildInTime]

What I think each time I open this thread.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

What I think each time I open this thread.

Well, if there's one positive thing which I'll acknowledge, it's that your pic related looks cute.

 

[Prime Junta]

If "Baldur's Gate III" is the worst thing that's wrong with this game, we're going to have a very good time.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

most of the public is not expecting a game that is in any way similar to it.

Then they shouldn't have called it Baldur's Gate, plain and simple.

I agree, bg2 should have been called something else because it didn't take place in baldur's gate.

It should be called Shadows of Amn, but the general audience would be too dumb to realize that it's a sequel to Baldur's Gate.

Baldur's Gate 2 was literally called "Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn", indicating it takes places in Amn, while also being a sequel to Baldur's Gate 1. That was the whole point. It made sense.

It would do that if it was called Shadows of Amn: A Sequel to Baldur's Gate. The title implies that the game take place in Baldur's Gate, and Amn being involved in some way.

No, since Baldur's Gate as the name of the series represents a linguistic construction which showcases the whole (a.i. the Forgotten Realms setting) through a symbolic part; it has nothing to do with the plot of the game itself.

Forgot what this phenomenon is called, but it's the same thing as talking about the 'Kremlin' instead of the Russian government.

Baldur's Gate wasn't a symbolic part of the setting back when the game was released. There is one short paragraph about it in AdnD campaign guide. Waterdeep was THE city back then.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

If "Baldur's Gate III" is the worst thing that's wrong with this game

If you enjoy the gameplay style, sure. I just don't like someone calling one thing as being another.

most of the public is not expecting a game that is in any way similar to it.

Then they shouldn't have called it Baldur's Gate, plain and simple.

I agree, bg2 should have been called something else because it didn't take place in baldur's gate.

It should be called Shadows of Amn, but the general audience would be too dumb to realize that it's a sequel to Baldur's Gate.

Baldur's Gate 2 was literally called "Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn", indicating it takes places in Amn, while also being a sequel to Baldur's Gate 1. That was the whole point. It made sense.

It would do that if it was called Shadows of Amn: A Sequel to Baldur's Gate. The title implies that the game take place in Baldur's Gate, and Amn being involved in some way.

No, since Baldur's Gate as the name of the series represents a linguistic construction which showcases the whole (a.i. the Forgotten Realms setting) through a symbolic part; it has nothing to do with the plot of the game itself.

Forgot what this phenomenon is called, but it's the same thing as talking about the 'Kremlin' instead of the Russian government.

Baldur's Gate wasn't a symbolic part of the setting back when the game was released. There is one short paragraph about it in AdnD campaign guide. Waterdeep was THE city back then.

It was for the setting as pertaining to the first game's plot, not for Forgotten Realms in general.

 

[Prime Junta]

If you enjoy the gameplay style, sure. I just don't like someone calling one thing as being another.

What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.

 

[Reinhardt]

great Baldurs Gate

No one is taking away your Baldur's Gate EE and Siege of Dragonspear.

 

[jackofshadows]

What I think each time I open this thread.

Thanks to the rececnt reveal what I think now each time I open this thread is this:

 

[Harthwain]

It would do that if it was called Shadows of Amn: A Sequel to Baldur's Gate. The title implies that the game take place in Baldur's Gate, and Amn being involved in some way.

Technically you're correct, but in practice the main title is there to mark it's part of the series. It's just unfortunate that in this particular case the main title is the name of the place that doesn't even appear in the game (talking about BG2). Ironically enough, we will see Baldur's Gate in BG3.

 

[Elex]

It's to be expected that more and more games will require it as time passes.

It’s just “we don’t want to fix a windows 7 only bug”

 

[Sailor Woedica]

The issue is that it's dishonest marketing, Longes. It's not a Baldur's Gate game, but a different CRPG set in the same Forgotten Realms setting whose labeling as Baldur's Gate only serves to capitalize on the brand recognition of the previous games and to mislead the public.

Maybe future sequels or spin-offs could have the subtitle ‘A Baldur’s Gate Story’ like Disney films and that would keep really old fans happy?

 

[Sweeper]

What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.

That's cringe dude.
Shakespeare was a faggot.
The original storyfaggot.

 

[Readher]

I'm already afraid of the price. Probably $60 which will end up being bonkers 250 in PLN with no third-party sellers. I'm definitely not paying over 200 PLN for any game.

 

[Reinhardt]

Yet NWN 2 was a sequel in terms of its gameplay.

Have you even played any of them? They are nothing alike.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

The issue is that it's dishonest marketing, Longes. It's not a Baldur's Gate game, but a different CRPG set in the same Forgotten Realms setting whose labeling as Baldur's Gate only serves to capitalize on the brand recognition of the previous games and to mislead the public.

Maybe future sequels or spin-offs could have the subtitle ‘A Baldur’s Gate Story’ like Disney and that would keep really old fans happy?

But it's not a Baldur's Gate story. It's a Forgotten Realms story.

Anyhow, I'm not even a big fan of the original BG titles; this just grinds my gears out of philosophical pedantry.

 

[Sailor Woedica]

The issue is that it's dishonest marketing, Longes. It's not a Baldur's Gate game, but a different CRPG set in the same Forgotten Realms setting whose labeling as Baldur's Gate only serves to capitalize on the brand recognition of the previous games and to mislead the public.

Maybe future sequels or spin-offs could have the subtitle ‘A Baldur’s Gate Story’ like Disney and that would keep really old fans happy?

But it's not a Baldur's Gate story. It's a Forgotten Realms story.

Doesn't that weird mind flayer octopus ship crash outside Baldur's Gate tho?

 

[Elex]

Baldur's Gate 2 was literally called "Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn", indicating it takes places in Amn, while also being a sequel to Baldur's Gate 1. That was the whole point. It made sense.

Baldur's Gate 3 being called Baldur's Gate 3 wouldn't be much of a problem, if we knew what's the direct link between BG3 and the other games in the series. But, supposedly, there IS a connection. We just don't know what the connection is in detail:

Baldur’s gate 3 is the sequel of baldur’s gate: descent into avernus

 

[Reinhardt]

I like foot fetish discussion more than the same old "it's not bg!!!1`1111111112"

 

[Sweeper]

I'm already afraid of the price. Probably $60 which will end up being bonkers 250 in PLN with no third-party sellers. I'm definitely not paying over 200 PLN for any game.

I've never bought a Larian game.
Just pirate it.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

most of the public is not expecting a game that is in any way similar to it.

Then they shouldn't have called it Baldur's Gate, plain and simple.

I agree, bg2 should have been called something else because it didn't take place in baldur's gate.

It should be called Shadows of Amn, but the general audience would be too dumb to realize that it's a sequel to Baldur's Gate.

Baldur's Gate 2 was literally called "Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn", indicating it takes places in Amn, while also being a sequel to Baldur's Gate 1. That was the whole point. It made sense.

It would do that if it was called Shadows of Amn: A Sequel to Baldur's Gate. The title implies that the game take place in Baldur's Gate, and Amn being involved in some way.

No, since Baldur's Gate as the name of the series represents a linguistic construction which showcases the whole (a.i. the Forgotten Realms setting) through a symbolic part; it has nothing to do with the plot of the game itself.

Forgot what this phenomenon is called, but it's the same thing as talking about the 'Kremlin' instead of the Russian government.

Baldur's Gate wasn't a symbolic part of the setting back when the game was released. There is one short paragraph about it in AdnD campaign guide. Waterdeep was THE city back then.

It was for the setting as pertaining to the first game's plot, not for Forgotten Realms in general.

Nobody would interpret that way if they didn't know what the game was about. I know I'd be disappointed if I bought game called Waterdeep 2 not knowing what it was about and never got to Waterdeep.

 

[Harthwain]

Baldur’s gate 3 is the sequel of baldur’s gate: descent into avernus

It's also supposed to be linked to the story of BG1 and 2 "in meaningful ways".

 

[Heroic Liberator]

The issue is that it's dishonest marketing, Longes. It's not a Baldur's Gate game, but a different CRPG set in the same Forgotten Realms setting whose labeling as Baldur's Gate only serves to capitalize on the brand recognition of the previous games and to mislead the public.

Maybe future sequels or spin-offs could have the subtitle ‘A Baldur’s Gate Story’ like Disney and that would keep really old fans happy?

But it's not a Baldur's Gate story. It's a Forgotten Realms story.

Doesn't that weird mind flayer octopus ship crash outside Baldur's Gate tho?

Yes, but the title of Baldur's Gate already has come to represent the BioWare series ergo it is no longer simply representing the original whole (a.i. the Forgotten Realms setting) through a part ('Baldur's Gate'), but the whole of the Forgotten Realms setting as adapted by BioWare to a CRPG format.

It's not necessarily a logical fallacy to have both these distinct series entitled Baldur's Gate (although Larian should've dropped the numeral and just given it a subtitle), but it's absurd.

To offer an analogy, it'd be the same as some Dutch nationalist wanting to call a Greater Netherlands 'Dietsland' when Germany ('Deutschland', rendered 'Duitsland' in Dutch) already exists. Sure, both of them are entitled to its usage, but now Deutsch represents more than just a possible ethnonym for the speaker of a continental West Germanic dialect - it represents German ('Deutsch') identity as crystallized under the modern German state.