Monica21
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Me too. The fact that I have a history degree notwithstanding.ixg said:I would've taken history.
Me too. The fact that I have a history degree notwithstanding.ixg said:I would've taken history.
read on and on about.. "acording to Jimmy" .. dead people.
You have been most unfortunate to have had really bad history teachers. Too bad, as good teachers can make, what most seem to think, a dry subject very interesting and relevant.Admiral jimbob said:My experiences with history classes haven't been that great - all pupils take geography, history and modern studies for two years at the start of high school. Over the entire two years, we learned about Hitler (not the war, just Hitler. The teacher talked at length about how ugly he was), the Titanic and the American War of Independence - spending literally four weeks on the Boston Tea Party.
It all kind of put me off the subject.
Admiral jimbob said:...and the American War of Independence - spending literally four weeks on the Boston Tea Party.
It all kind of put me off the subject.
TheGreatGodPan said:Any course with the word "studies" at the end is worthless. There's no "math studies" or "physics studies" because everyone already knows that math and physics are real courses. They tack that word on when it's not a real subject but they want to pretend that it is.
You did seem to have some pretty fucked up edumacators there, Jimbob. I've had shitty history teachers, but I'd always prefer history to [insert here] studies, english, art or whatnot.
Jasede said:I an uneducated German and never heard that word, so...
...what ARE Modern Studies? It sounds like something that's.... pretty gay. Is it like Sociology or Politology [political studies]?
You did seem to have some pretty fucked up edumacators there, Jimbob. I've had shitty history teachers, but I'd always prefer history to [insert here] studies, english, art or whatnot.
Hello! I was wondering if I was the only, having ever felt guilty for some one that died in the game...and then feel like killing him/her for what she has done... anyway, here is my story :
I was going thru the Great Forest, comming back from chorol having visisted a friend in Malintus Ancrus house, going to bravil to visit my new '' friend '', the count wizzard... ( ehe ) and well, in my travel, ( I don't use fast travel ) I met a few evil bandits... ( I must specify, my horse was stolen ) so, these bandits decided to chase me to pell's gate... then, arriving there, I watched a lady '' trying '' to kill them... she got owned, pretty badly... anyway, I decided to load my game, in case she was quest related, also, I hate having murders on my consciense... especially those I did'nt do (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif). well, I loaded my game, where I was a few miles away from there... so, I took the same road, dragged the bandits there again.. but this time, I got off my stolen chestnut horse, and attacked the bandits... killed them easily ( all hail bows (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ), went back on my horse, well, here is where the fun begins, right after saving the lady's life, she yelled Thief!!! and starting attacking me and my horse! I was like WTF! I should have let her die... anyway, I controlled my self ( RPing a thief guild guy, not a murderer... ) and simply went, with my chestnut horse to bravil, where I am to meet the count's left hand, the wizard...
well, that's it, that's my little story, which I felt like sharing... do you have any storys like that? where you should be aclaimed but no, instead you get attacked?!?! if you do! please! share them with us!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Admiral jimbob said:Fuck.
Just because you get biases doesn't mean history isn't worth teaching. I spent 7th-11th grades in private Baptist high school, and I got lots of bias. Not only in history, but science also. My 9th grade teacher used a book about the U.S. being chosen by God as His land as a textbook. Manifest Destiny was of course also God's will. Thankfully, I'm smart enough to realize that's not true, and that humans did evolve and weren't created from dust. You can learn history in a class, but it does require thought on the students' part.sheek said:History should never be taught. I love history and about half the (non-work) books I read are history books. But I hated doing it at school. High school history teachers are ignorant losers who repeat the same class year after year and sometimes try to force their biases on to you. Mine was a socialist (as was the previous teacher) who asked us to make two lists, 'Right' and 'Left' and list positive and negative things about each. Left was freedom, equality, justice etc and Right was inequality, racism, slavery, classism, dictatorship, fascism... If you said anything positive about the Right you would lose points in your next essay. If you tried to argue a point you'd lose points permanently until graduation.
Anyway you cannot learn history through classes. All you're getting is one person's regurgitated bullshit from the limited sources they've read. You can't learn history from some 'textbook' either, however well-written it might be. You have to read many different sources with different and often conflicting views. And true knowledge is never fixed or final.
Although it's probably better than 'modern studies'. The important thing is, do what's asked but never take any class too seriously (well, except math, physics, languages etc).
Just because you get biases doesn't mean history isn't worth teaching. I spent 7th-11th grades in private Baptist high school, and I got lots of bias. Not only in history, but science also. My 9th grade teacher used a book about the U.S. being chosen by God as His land as a textbook. Manifest Destiny was of course also God's will. Thankfully, I'm smart enough to realize that's not true, and that humans did evolve and weren't created from dust. You can learn history in a class, but it does require thought on the students' part.
Also, if history isn't taught, how will anyone learn it? I don't expect a 14-year-old to read (or even be interested in) David McCullough's biography of John Adams.
You do need different sources and different points of view, but you get that in higher education, not necessarily in high school. High school is just there to teach you the basics and timelines. I've never had a history class that didn't require sourcing, which is where you get differing viewpoints.
If it can be an introduction, why shouldn't it be taught?sheek said:Bias wasn't my main point. My point was that some guy reciting what he himself has been taught is true isn't the way to learn history. It can be an introduction but it isn't really the study of history. College and beyond history is different because you have to do your research.
I know very few people outside my family who read history in their spare time. I was on a business trip with my boss and boss' boss, and they both got crappy romance novels in the airport bookstore. (Of course, my boss' boss has a MySpace account, so I don't expect much in the way of intelligence from her.) Most of my friends are the same way.Well, I did (not John Adams but I read history books). Lots of people read about history in their spare time because it's natural to be curious about the past (and it's effect on the present). Like I said above high school history can be a good introduction and motivate those who lack natural curiosity - same as literature in language class - but don't pretend that it's necessary or important in any other way.
I started having to use primary sources as a senior in high school (at a public school). I'm not sure where you went to high school, but textbooks were not acceptable source material.Yeah which mostly means to go look in your approved textbook(s) and regurgitate what you read using minor grammatical variations.