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Bioware cliche chart and their response

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Ebola1717, Nov 9, 2009.

  1. Ebola1717 Novice

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    http://hellforge.gameriot.com/blogs/Hel ... iche-Chart
    Well, at least Bioware knows that a. it's using the same plot structure over and over and b. they're doing it because "Players can understand it. ...players with more than four things to do at a time in any given area will feel frustrated -- they get overwhelmed and have no idea what to do first and get the names mixed up."
     
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  2. Xor Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    It's missing the bit about a plot twist.
     
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  3. Gragt Arcane Patron

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    Stopped reading there. I should have known what to expect when I saw the URL.
     
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  4. mediocrepoet Arcane Patron

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    What sort of person goes to the trouble of making a chart of the cliches repeatedly used in a company's games and then describes them as original and well-written? Someone should send him a writing manual and dictionary for Christmas.
     
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  5. Sol Invictus Erudite

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    The same kind of person who enjoys their games and didn't do it for the sake of criticizing them.
     
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  6. Clockwork Knight Arcane

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    It's that old "No offense, but you're an [insult]" diplomat tactic
     
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  7. GarfunkeL Racism Expert

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    Sol, are ME and DA:O seriously the two best games you played this decade?

    Not even RPG's but games. Seriously?
     
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  8. JrK Prophet

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    WOAH Sol Invictus is back! :D And what he said.
     
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  9. Volourn Pretty Princess Pretty Princess

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    Yes, DA:O and ME are two of the best games this decade. Or any decade. Deal with that, SUCKAS!
     
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    *laughs* Fair enough, but look. I didn't take issue with "fun". I enjoy Bioware's games as well, but I think talking about cliches and tropes that are more or less pervasive throughout most everything they publish makes the "original and well-written" description a bit of a stretch - even if I was kind of a dick in how I put it.
     
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  11. Panthera Scholar

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    Man, that response was really strangely defensive. I guess he hit a nerve?
     
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  12. MasterSmithFandango Arcane

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    Sorry, no. I am thoroughly enjoying DA:O, but ME was incredibly mediocre, on the verge of bad.
     
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  13. Collar Grabber Novice

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    No it wasn't. ME was just fine. Go play it again.
     
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    Yep I feel the same. ME wasn't a turd but it was bland and mediocre
     
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  16. GarfunkeL Racism Expert

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    I won't say anything more about DA:O but ME really was a turd.

    It was a crappy shooter and a bad RPG. And people can't even say that "modders will fix it" since there's no toolkit.
     
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  17. LazyD Liturgist

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    Both suck... back to xcom.
     
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  18. don_tomaso Liturgist

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  19. Fuck. The Bioware response pisses me off to no end. Even though Dragon Age is the best game they've made in ages, they're defending the worst aspects of it.

    "It's a structure, guys! Even though it's blatantly transparent in all of our games that doesn't mean we're using it wrong or are bad writers!"

    And don't even get me started on why "Players understand 4 objectives! No more, no less!" is bullshit. Jesus Christ. Sol making kissy faces at the Bioware guy is annoying too. Way to say "Oh, yeah, I'm not saying these are stupid. I'm sorry! Don't be mad at me!".

    Now I'm all grumpy.
     
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  20. Clockwork Knight Arcane

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    ^Seriously. if it was me, I'd just say that Bio feels like they can write better stories if they organize themselves like that, or they simply like doing it that way, or something. Not "lol ADD kids cant pay attention to more than 4 objectives at once".
     
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  21. Gragt Arcane Patron

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    I'd like to know the base for facts like the "4 objective max".
     
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  22. FeelTheRads Arcane Patron

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    It's related to the "4 pixel chairs" fact.
     
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  23. Volourn Pretty Princess Pretty Princess

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    "It was a crappy shooter and a bad RPG"

    That's awesome because it wasn't a shooter or an a RPG. It was an Action RPG. And, in many ways, it's better 'rpg' than DA.

    Take that, DA LOVERS!
     
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  24. Xor Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Sig material.
     
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    Jesus Christ volly I seriously hope you're just an internet persona.
     
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